Heinz 57 Gun

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 01:03

Hey, This TM M4 was my first gun that I started to upgrade 7 months ago. When I bought the parts I wasn't sure what I was doing, so I threw all caution to the wind.

I never really asked what to buy, so hopefully I'll learn from my mistake.
PARTS:
-Deep Fire metal nozzle
-Systema silent headset
-Modify Cylinder
-Modify Polycarbonate Piston(full teeth)
-MadBull M120 spring
-Guarder spring guide
-Modify Reinforced gears
-King Arms 7mm gearbox
-King Arms metal bushings
-Prometheus Hop Up(soft)
-Systema 6.04 inner barrel
-Tappet plate still might be stock TM

To sum it up, I know that mixing different brands of parts is not ideal, so what I'm asking here is what could/should be changed, now/future. I want reliability in my gun, while trying to keep a consistent 390-400ish FPS. Gun hasn't been chrono'ed, but I "THINK" with these parts installed I'm shooting 390ish.

Thanks for the help

AngelusNex · March 25th, 2009, 01:12

if the tight bore is full m4 length and your compression is all good I'd guestimate your shooting around 430fps also, did you shim the gears?

That soft hopup rubber will fall apart on you, it should only be in sub 350 guns anything higher needs hard type.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sepulcrum

if the tight bore is full m4 length and your compression is all good I'd guestimate your shooting around 430fps also, did you shim the gears?

Forgot to mention that it's a wee bit longer. 455mm. Yes, they have been shimmed. Just want to make sure that they all work well together.

Erennert · March 25th, 2009, 01:23

Hard Hop-up rubber.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erennert

Hard Hop-up rubber.

I'd say if I'm shooting 390 and below, over 400, then hard hop up. When I get it chrono'ed, then I will have a better understanding.

AngelusNex · March 25th, 2009, 10:11

i had a m110 and an 500mm tight bore and got 450. So unless your compresion is shit you'll be too hot. I say you should find somebody with a crony for you to test you gun in before you show up at a game and can't play.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sepulcrum

i had a m110 and an 500mm tight bore and got 450. So unless your compresion is shit you'll be too hot. I say you should find somebody with a crony for you to test you gun in before you show up at a game and can't play.

Damn, that is not what I was going for.

Well the good news is, I do have a another gun that is shooting 350ish, so I'll be using that this weekend. I think I'll pick up a modify M110. Maybe go back to the standard inner barrel as well. Anyway, thanks guys

coach · March 25th, 2009, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by hebet

Damn, that is not what I was going for.

Well the good news is, I do have a another gun that is shooting 350ish, so I'll be using that this weekend. I think I'll pick up a modify M110. Maybe go back to the standard inner barrel as well. Anyway, thanks guys

with the modify S110 you're still looking at roughly 410ish fps

S90-330ish
S100-365ish

I'll be putting the S90 in my CQB AK spetsnaz after I chrony it again under normal conditions. I just chronied it last weekend, at FR in 0 to 5 degree weather, at 245fps. still shot beautifully though.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachster

with the modify S110 you're still looking at roughly 410ish fps

S90-330ish
S100-365ish

I'll be putting the S90 in my CQB AK spetsnaz after I chrony it again under normal conditions. I just chronied it last weekend, at FR in 0 to 5 degree weather, at 245fps. still shot beautifully though.

Do you know a good brand of springs that will get me around 390ish. I don't have to use a modify. I do have a systema M120, but I rather not use it. I read that systema springs loose there, "tension" faster than other springs.

Styrak · March 25th, 2009, 21:35

Are you asking what you need to change? From what I see, nothing.
There isn't anything wrong with it right? Don't fix what isn't broken. You have a lot of good parts in there.

coach · March 25th, 2009, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by hebet

Do you know a good brand of springs that will get me around 390ish. I don't have to use a modify. I do have a systema M120, but I rather not use it. I read that systema springs loose there, "tension" faster than other springs.

Why do people insist on being close to the edge? FPS doesn't make the shooter. lol

Anyway, a PDI 150% will get you around 395 but with use, will drop. I have the 150 in the M4 and am the second owner with it. It consistently shoot 380's now which is just about right.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak

Are you asking what you need to change? From what I see, nothing.
There isn't anything wrong with it right? Don't fix what isn't broken. You have a lot of good parts in there.

No, not that I know of, except for it's "apparentally" high FPS! The parts are good. Just was wondering down the road if something does break, what would be a good switch/ change of parts, so they can all run well together. that's all.

AngelusNex · March 25th, 2009, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by hebet

No, not that I know of, except for it's "apparentally" high FPS! The parts are good. Just was wondering down the road if something does break, what would be a good switch/ change of parts, so they can all run well together. that's all.

Like i said, crony it first. then swap out springs, you might be 390, though that would more than likely mean your air compression is off.

coach · March 25th, 2009, 21:54

put together what you have and chrony it. buy more parts when things don't work or break.

hebet · March 25th, 2009, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachster

Why do people insist on being close to the edge? FPS doesn't make the shooter. lol

Anyway, a PDI 150% will get you around 395 but with use, will drop. I have the 150 in the M4 and am the second owner with it. It consistently shoot 380's now which is just about right.

I agree with you coachster, the gun/FPS does NOT make the shooter.

Before I got my MP5, ( which is shooting 350fps and staying there) I had my M4 which was stock. Fine, I got a couple kills here and there, but I wanted to have a bit of an edge, so I upgraded, My gun had other problems that needed it to be put on the shelf for sometime. So what did I use, my side arms. All of a sudden you can't just sit there and wait for someone to walk by and hope for a kill, you have to move your ass. Used my side arms for sometime. Got some sick kills with it too. Anyway, I think having a gun at 400fps is nice, but having some guns that require you to run around is just as fun. Sometimes even more fun

M4 will be for the lazy days I play airsoft

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March 25th, 2009, 01:03	#1
hebet Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Langley, BC	Heinz 57 Gun Hey, This TM M4 was my first gun that I started to upgrade 7 months ago. When I bought the parts I wasn't sure what I was doing, so I threw all caution to the wind. I never really asked what to buy, so hopefully I'll learn from my mistake. PARTS: -Deep Fire metal nozzle -Systema silent headset -Modify Cylinder -Modify Polycarbonate Piston(full teeth) -MadBull M120 spring -Guarder spring guide -Modify Reinforced gears -King Arms 7mm gearbox -King Arms metal bushings -Prometheus Hop Up(soft) -Systema 6.04 inner barrel -Tappet plate still might be stock TM To sum it up, I know that mixing different brands of parts is not ideal, so what I'm asking here is what could/should be changed, now/future. I want reliability in my gun, while trying to keep a consistent 390-400ish FPS. Gun hasn't been chrono'ed, but I "THINK" with these parts installed I'm shooting 390ish. Thanks for the help

March 25th, 2009, 21:35	#10
Styrak Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Are you asking what you need to change? From what I see, nothing. There isn't anything wrong with it right? Don't fix what isn't broken. You have a lot of good parts in there. __________________ Airsoft Sales and Repair/Upgrade Services

March 25th, 2009, 01:12	#2
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	if the tight bore is full m4 length and your compression is all good I'd guestimate your shooting around 430fps also, did you shim the gears? That soft hopup rubber will fall apart on you, it should only be in sub 350 guns anything higher needs hard type.

March 25th, 2009, 10:11	#6
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	i had a m110 and an 500mm tight bore and got 450. So unless your compresion is shit you'll be too hot. I say you should find somebody with a crony for you to test you gun in before you show up at a game and can't play.

March 25th, 2009, 21:54	#14
coach aka coachster Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: T dot	put together what you have and chrony it. buy more parts when things don't work or break.

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