Systema PTW

SBranson23 · May 10th, 2007, 05:24

Yes it is VFC. G&P is another good brand and has realistic trades unlike the CA.(if that matters to you) Both the VFC and G&P need the opening for the barrel widened somewhat to fit over the PTW's wide barrel (as much as 4mm I've read) I just filed mine until it fit.
You have to be aware that with the CA M203's there is no forward barrel attachment included with them. That part has to be bought separately!!
I would either wait and get a G&P or VFC through a group order. It'll be cheaper than the CA and better quality too.
(I have a G&P one on the way I ordered back in Feb. before the VFC came available and if my friend doesn't want it it'll be going up for sale.)

Like KOS said, unless you get the Challenge Kit (either max or gen3) it will have the Systema logo on it. I have read of sandblasting off the systema markings to allow you to start from scratch but that's quite the job.

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 10:57

thanks branson,

is there a forward attachment in the market that fits the PTW and the VFC M203? I've gone through filing a bayonet to fit the Marushin M1 Garand and having to file it sometimes doesn't offer a wobble-free fit.

SBranson23 · May 10th, 2007, 14:34

The forward attachment on the VFC fits fine. It's the rear "bracket" opening that slides over the barrel that needs the gap widened.

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 18:06

i see, and i guess that bracket is built as part of the m203 itself instead of being a separate piece...

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 18:07

and it would seem that it is the M203 that has the narrow bracket, not the PTW having the wide barrel...

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 18:13

oh yeah, redwolf says that if you order the M203 for the M4, you need to by a delta ring system...does this apply to the PTW?

mcguyver · May 10th, 2007, 18:27

Get an RAS and get the rail-mounted launcher you want. That's how the U.S. military does it now (no more barrel-mounted launchers for the new guys). All their guns come as a package from FN, Colt, whoever with an RAS (ARMS or KAC), then you don't need to worry about carving, filing or Dremeling.

SBranson23 · May 10th, 2007, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kommandant_keen

oh yeah, redwolf says that if you order the M203 for the M4, you need to by a delta ring system...does this apply to the PTW?

If, like me, you prefer the look of the barrel mounted system you will have to file the opening of the M203 to fit the larger outer barrel of the PTW. The delta ring system is already there in the PTW. As far as I know airsoft M203s are built for AEGs with their smaller diameter outer barrels as compared to the PTW.

Later this evening I will post a photo of what has to be filed. (which, by the way, took me maybe 10 minutes to do)

mcguyver · May 10th, 2007, 18:51

Having had a barrel-mounted M203 on my M16A3 when I bought it, there was some modification that was done, but it was done for a different gun. When the presvious owner tried to install it on the M16, the opening was too large by alot and only big Tie-Wraps could be use to secure it to the barrel.

The rear barrel nut was of no consequence, nor was the delta ring. The heatshield I had on it was a Bushmaster (real steel), and it fit like a glove into the PTW. There was no need to remove either.

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by SBranson23

If, like me, you prefer the look of the barrel mounted system you will have to file the opening of the M203 to fit the larger outer barrel of the PTW. The delta ring system is already there in the PTW. As far as I know airsoft M203s are built for AEGs with their smaller diameter outer barrels as compared to the PTW.

Later this evening I will post a photo of what has to be filed. (which, by the way, took me maybe 10 minutes to do)

according to your first post of this thread, you do have a "i think" real steel KAC RAS system installed. How is it that you have the RAS railing as well as the barrel installed VFC M203? If I do decide on going for the RAS system, will the VFC M203 still be a viable option or must I go for a different make that produces an M203 that mounts on the RAS rails?

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 19:04

also branson, do you experience any wobble since you filed down the mount?

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 19:06

and just out of curiosity, where do i get age verified? i'm 21 but i ask so many questions without being verified...

ILLusion · May 10th, 2007, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kommandant_keen

according to your first post of this thread, you do have a "i think" real steel KAC RAS system installed. How is it that you have the RAS railing as well as the barrel installed VFC M203? If I do decide on going for the RAS system, will the VFC M203 still be a viable option or must I go for a different make that produces an M203 that mounts on the RAS rails?

A proper modern RAS replica that uses a spring loaded delta ring will allow you to barrel mount an M203 like how I have on my M4 & KAC RAS2 replica:

RAS setups that use a screw on barrel nut (such as free floating RAS systems on an SPR or SR-15 match system) will not work, as the RAS does not seperate, providing lower access to the barrel:

Not only does the RAS not seperate on a lot of these free-floating setups, but the barrels are straight all the way through, rather than stepped or gradiated like the M4 barrels that allow you to slide an M203 on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kommandant_keen

and just out of curiosity, where do i get age verified? i'm 21 but i ask so many questions without being verified...

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/forumdisplay.php?f=108

PS, it's common courtesy to just edit your last post and add new stuff on there, rather than post a string of posts one after another.

Kommandant_keen · May 10th, 2007, 22:58

apologies for my lack of manners, i will keep that in mind in the future.

can someone please show me pictures that differentiate the barrel vs. rail-mounted launcher? I am pretty sure I am looking for the barrel mount version. Thanks!

SBranson23 · May 10th, 2007, 23:20

Barrel mounted see mine and Illusion's

Rail mounted:

Also here's the gap that needs to be filed to fit over the PTW barrel.(red arrows)
The blue arrow shows the "pin" that locks into the barrel nut and eliminates rotation.

I did find a small piece of electricians tape in the opening and in the front bracket helped to hold everything just a little firmer. It's bombproof now.

sorry for the crappy pic.

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May 10th, 2007, 18:27	#67
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Get an RAS and get the rail-mounted launcher you want. That's how the U.S. military does it now (no more barrel-mounted launchers for the new guys). All their guns come as a package from FN, Colt, whoever with an RAS (ARMS or KAC), then you don't need to worry about carving, filing or Dremeling. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 10th, 2007, 18:51	#69
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Having had a barrel-mounted M203 on my M16A3 when I bought it, there was some modification that was done, but it was done for a different gun. When the presvious owner tried to install it on the M16, the opening was too large by alot and only big Tie-Wraps could be use to secure it to the barrel. The rear barrel nut was of no consequence, nor was the delta ring. The heatshield I had on it was a Bushmaster (real steel), and it fit like a glove into the PTW. There was no need to remove either. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 10th, 2007, 23:20	#75
SBranson23 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Victoria,B.C.	Barrel mounted see mine and Illusion's Rail mounted: Also here's the gap that needs to be filed to fit over the PTW barrel.(red arrows) The blue arrow shows the "pin" that locks into the barrel nut and eliminates rotation. I did find a small piece of electricians tape in the opening and in the front bracket helped to hold everything just a little firmer. It's bombproof now. sorry for the crappy pic. Last edited by SBranson23; May 11th, 2007 at 01:24..

May 10th, 2007, 05:24	#61
SBranson23 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Victoria,B.C.	Yes it is VFC. G&P is another good brand and has realistic trades unlike the CA.(if that matters to you) Both the VFC and G&P need the opening for the barrel widened somewhat to fit over the PTW's wide barrel (as much as 4mm I've read) I just filed mine until it fit. You have to be aware that with the CA M203's there is no forward barrel attachment included with them. That part has to be bought separately!! I would either wait and get a G&P or VFC through a group order. It'll be cheaper than the CA and better quality too. (I have a G&P one on the way I ordered back in Feb. before the VFC came available and if my friend doesn't want it it'll be going up for sale.) Like KOS said, unless you get the Challenge Kit (either max or gen3) it will have the Systema logo on it. I have read of sandblasting off the systema markings to allow you to start from scratch but that's quite the job.

May 10th, 2007, 10:57	#62
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	thanks branson, is there a forward attachment in the market that fits the PTW and the VFC M203? I've gone through filing a bayonet to fit the Marushin M1 Garand and having to file it sometimes doesn't offer a wobble-free fit.

May 10th, 2007, 14:34	#63
SBranson23 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Victoria,B.C.	The forward attachment on the VFC fits fine. It's the rear "bracket" opening that slides over the barrel that needs the gap widened.

May 10th, 2007, 18:06	#64
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	i see, and i guess that bracket is built as part of the m203 itself instead of being a separate piece...

May 10th, 2007, 18:07	#65
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	and it would seem that it is the M203 that has the narrow bracket, not the PTW having the wide barrel...

May 10th, 2007, 18:13	#66
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	oh yeah, redwolf says that if you order the M203 for the M4, you need to by a delta ring system...does this apply to the PTW?

May 10th, 2007, 19:04	#71
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	also branson, do you experience any wobble since you filed down the mount?

May 10th, 2007, 19:06	#72
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	and just out of curiosity, where do i get age verified? i'm 21 but i ask so many questions without being verified...

May 10th, 2007, 22:58	#74
Kommandant_keen Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C.	apologies for my lack of manners, i will keep that in mind in the future. can someone please show me pictures that differentiate the barrel vs. rail-mounted launcher? I am pretty sure I am looking for the barrel mount version. Thanks!

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