Mad Bull Propane Adaptor

[hattrick]

I hope buying the madbull version results in your ***** falling off.

Now thats what i call taking sides.

[Amos]

I hope MadMax is able to sue madbull for several millions of dollars...

Then create a Canadian based airsoft-invention factory

[arman]

i think MadMax needs to come on here to clear the air on this one!

[frankiet]

I think if MadMax is smart, and I believe he is, he shouldn't say a word on a public forum on an issue that could lead to lawsuits. This is why man made created the 'lawyer' species. Let them play with it on their level.

My personal opinion, collect some royalties from MadBull on every unit sold. everybody wins. It's not something MadBull is going to volunteer to do, but litigation can make it happen.

Karl... Silence is golden... Shut up and make a fortune.

[MadMax]

sorry frank...

Well, I'm back. Great timing on Madbulls part. I go away for a stag trip and come back to this.

The game is afoot. I've finally got some competition on my turf.

To clear the air, hats off to Madbull. **wtf?! is Carl on drugs?!**

On close inspection of MB's product pictures, I find that MB is going with a significantly different design from my adaptor. MB is offering an adaptor which does not have a moving tank valve probe. My adaptor has a mag probe and a tank probe which moves in unison (they're integrated into a common part). Madbull has a fixed tank probe which leads to a valve integrated into the mag filling probe.

It's a design concept which I first landed on before the launch of my product. I refined the concept to a simpler integrated single piece mag and tank probe to make the design more elegant.

While Madbull is capitalizing on my difficult task of proliferating the fact that green gas is propane, they did not rip off my adaptor design outright.

Why am I defending Madbull?

It's the right thing to do. I don't want people to slag them as unprincipled ripoff manufactures. While Madbull could have whipped out a pair of calipers and duplicated my product, they went their own way and designed their own product using different operating principles. Unfortunately the inventive bit about my propane adaptor was mostly coming to the realization that green gas was propane rather than the design of the gas fitting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm damn annoyed that they're competing with me. Offering adaptors at $15USD is going to crush my profit margins. It'll be hard for me to afford new product design with my flagship product pinched like this. I would have liked to have paid off my injection mould before they did this at least. Offering adaptors at $15 is silly when a disposable can of green gas costs $12USD (or $30 in Canada).

The timing is difficult for me as I've just started another injection mould for another product I've finished developing. It's going to be tough as I'm already pretty stretched financially.

So what does that mean for Airsoft Innovations?

First I'm going to buy me some Irish Whiskey. Then I'm getting back to work. I'm going to have to reprice my adaptor and work out ways to put even more value into my product to retain my market share. I've looked intensely at the issues of propane adaptors longer than anyone. I can get through this. Who knows, maybe having a competition will be healthy for me. It's certainly a new learning experience for me.

Thanks for your support of my work and my company. I will continue to strive to develop innovative new products for airsofters. It's the namesake of Airsoft Innovations.

[Nik12]

Just be sure to be around when I decide to get a propane adaptor (which will probably be about a week after I buy a GBB)...

[Daes]

Madmax, that is a thoughful and well spoken response.

Mind you, I do prefer your design due to the fact the a press = release, where the Madbull will be burped everytime you un-screw. (A constant annoyance with their CO2 regulator/filler)

Still, kudos to looking at their design and realizing the difference. Hopefully this will lead to you pwn'ing their design with something even more new and interesting! cough cough HPA adapter/regulator to fill at 100psi-3000psi or even a 2000psi shell

-Daes

[ancorp]

All the best to you, sir.

I'm sure most of us here will continue to support your products over the stuff across the border.

Care to share your next injection mold project?

Cheers Max!
Alex

[The Saint]

Does this piss anyone else off?

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=2640

[MadMax]

It definitely gets my goat. I guess one must say whatever it takes to justify their product line.

I wish Madbull would have put more information and less legalese on their product information page. It's offputting that nearly all of the text on their info page comprise warnings and legalese. I would have liked them to explain the issues surrounding their gauge test.

I hope they're not going to encourage users of Madbull adaptors to write me for a free tank gauge.

[MadMax]

Ugh...

I was engrossed by their pics and didn't even read any of the warning text and legalese.

Nice of them to rip off the wording of my warnings with their own engrish adaptations.

They even grab the limitations of liability and other waiver stuff that I had to hire a lawyer to write. Maybe they'll write me a cheque for half my legal bill to help me defray my costs there.