Systema PTW

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The assmbled MAX PTW cost me about $250/gun more than a MAX kit. Worth every penny to get the gun assmbled, QC'd at the factory and be ready to go as soon as you open the box.

Yeah. I agree. I don't trust myself with things like mechboxes, and whatnot. Rather get it preassembled.

[mcguyver]

The PTW mechanics are by far the simplest and most durable of any gun there is. They built them so that troops with zero mechanical aptitude could use and abuse it and it will still run. Now give it to guys used to tinkering on their own guns and it's very simple. But for me, $250 just isn't worth my time.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The PTW mechanics are by far the simplest and most durable of any gun there is. They built them so that troops with zero mechanical aptitude could use and abuse it and it will still run. Now give it to guys used to tinkering on their own guns and it's very simple. But for me, $250 just isn't worth my time.

I still disagree with the price. It seems like you're paying for the "systema" name, and not just the weapon... much like RS guns from KAC.

[SBranson23]

**Cough** I have the Gen 3 kit **cough** and it's fine unless you want to run the M150 spring but there are very few events that allow that kind of power. (the gen3 kits come with preassembled gear boxes, btw)
As far as disagreeing with the price... I disagree with paying for a rifle that needs to be stripped and have all it's parts replaced with aftermarket ones just to get a reliable AEG with good power like some brands out there. I disagree with paying for an AEG that cracks, has to be held together with tape, has barrel wobble ...
Not to be an ass but by the time you address most of the issues in alot of other AEGs you aren't that far off a PTW in price. (except for the &#%& mags)
What you pay for is not the name IMO but alot of r&d to produce a quality AEG that is realistic, reliable, versatile, and strong as hell.

[mcguyver]

AEG and Systema don't even belong in the same sentence. For those who don't know, you need to forget everything you know about AEGs as they simply don't apply to a PTW. There is nothing common or even similar about them. Their method of loading and discharging a BB and what happens to that BB as it travels down the barrel are different from any other gun.

We all know that a Ferrari costs 10 times as much as a Honda, but how many people people will dump $100k into a Civic trying to get it to perform like a Ferrari? The answer is simple: more than you could count. The same thing happens with airsoft. Every $50, or $100 or $200 that guys dump into their guns in a vicious endless cycle is somehow palatable. Anyone who believes this is a good thing needs their head examined.

Why dump $1000 into a $500 Marui? It's absolutely ridiculous. But it gets done all the time because guys simply don't have the balls to dump $1500+ at once into 1 gun. Oh, wait, they will for an M249, so why not an M4?

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

We all know that a Ferrari costs 10 times as much as a Honda, but how many people people will dump $100k into a Civic trying to get it to perform like a Ferrari? The answer is simple: more than you could count. The same thing happens with airsoft. Every $50, or $100 or $200 that guys dump into their guns in a vicious endless cycle is somehow palatable. Anyone who believes this is a good thing needs their head examined.

It's because of parts availability. And I'm pretty sure a ferrari eats more gas than an up'd civic. A dohc16 I-4 (even modded) will never eat as much gas as a v12 running over 450 bhp, and god knows how much lbs of torque.

Anyway... It just annoys me that the tag is so high. I am definately going to get a systema, no question about it. It just bothers me that I will have to put off getting a real AR because of it.

guh.. and to think I'm going to have to start buying a cheaper beer....

[mcguyver]

Here's my work in progress. The M16 still needs some attention because my love has been directed towards my new children and my real AR.

[wey ferro]

have you ever used those?
scratch them up spider loc.
mine preformed amazing on the ferry this weekend.
in my opinion it makes more sense to buy the kit becasue it only takes under 2 hours to put together.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by wey ferro

have you ever used those?
mine preformed amazing on the ferry this weekend.
in my opinion it makes more sense to buy the kit becasue it only takes under 2 hours to put together.

I would buy a kit, but only a MAX kit. The older Ver 3 kits had some issues with zinc planetaries and you had to assemble every little stinking piece. The new kits sound like the deal, with preassembled MAX lowers and cylinders. Mark seemed to come up with the assembled guns for me when I wanted and I only paid $250 more than what the kit was worth, so it made sense to me.

I only shot the M4 outside for the first time yesterday. With the M150 kit, you can't even see 0.25s they move so fast. And semi has zero lag. I was able to pump out about perhaps 5 rounds per second feathering the trigger. And all of this from a 1200mah battery at 500ish fps.

[underground]

love the stock mod

[SBranson23]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

The older Ver 3 kits had some issues with zinc planetaries and you had to assemble every little stinking piece. ...

. And semi has zero lag. I was able to pump out about perhaps 5 rounds per second feathering the trigger. And all of this from a 1200mah battery at 500ish fps.

Mine was a newer Gen3 kit with the gear box preassembled so no real scary stuff there. Yes it has the zinc planetaries but I've read that is plenty good enough unless one wants to run the M150.

The lack of trigger lag is one of the most noticeable differences compared to others' AEGs.

Geez... macguyver... one of each.... Man o man! It is to dream.
Is the M733 coming next?
You going to bother switching out your motors for the 490's?


Thanks Underground for the comment. Lipos rock! I have since added the Vickers sling and it is sooo good it will be a permanent fixture. Such being, I think I will go the next step and add a 4-position stock with butt pad to look closer to the C8 and hide the battery in the sling. The lipo is so small it will hardly be noticed.....

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by SBranson23

Geez... macguyver... one of each.... Man o man! It is to dream.
Is the M733 coming next?
You going to bother switching out your motors for the 490's?

Well, why not? Just like government spending. Why buy one when you can 3 for triple the price!!!!

I don't think I will invest in 490 motors this season. What meager cash I have available after this last spree will be spent on a Ver 3 upgrade for the M16, steel planetaries and the M4 spring guide and buffer cap and an M130 kit. Then if I do get a 490, I can put one of the 480s in the M16 and be MAX capable for it. A 6.04 barrel for it would be nice too.

But luckily I shouldn't need to get any other parts, just piston head o-rings (as soon as I get around to opening up my M90 again to get the size correct).

[SBranson23]

I think I will go for the 490 motor as I also plan to swap out my zinc gears for the hardened steel ones (which I already have but am afraid to install) and thus be relatively the same as a max version.
I just can't decide which version to get. I will likely never run the M150 spring except possibly one game in Kelowna in the summer. Also I run a Lipo that is only 1320mAh so it may be wiser to pick "B" and it's not like I need a higher rate of fire. My mags can barely keep up as it is.

I ordered a bunch of o-rings (nitrile and viton to compare) from WA based on the metric 2x7mm size suggested. Wallace doesn't know the sizes but stocks them so I will get a couple sets from him too. Looks like this is a part to have around.

BTW, are those RS CASV's or KA copies? (...is it just that the writing is on the other side?)

[wey ferro]

i think they are ka casv
the trigger is something i noticed a huge difference from any gun ive ever pulled the trigger of, i often accidently shoot a round off because im so used to my old trigger and a shitty ver 2

[mcguyver]

There is zero trigger lag with the PTW. I can feather the trigger in semi and pull off about 5 rounds/second. Basically, you can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.

And the CASVs are King Arms, as well as the vertical grip, PRI-style front sight and 20mm QD sling adapter. The holosights are Hurricane 552 clones.

Plus, with a simple mod to the main circuit board, you can make your gun shoot 3-burst instead of full auto.