Info on the laws effecting airsoft

Wayne0188 · January 27th, 2011, 15:05

I've searched on google and this site, and found only 2 threads dealing with this, one is closed, and the other is dead, I cant post in either.

My question is: is there a copy of the options paper "Airsoft in Canada: Partnership Through Accountability" that i can read?

I have some ideas of my own on how the law and policies in canada can change to help the airsoft world, however I would like to read the paper before making suggestions to the people in the Airsoft Initiative.

If anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great.

ps. before making get av'ed comments, I already met with my local av'er (good guy) and am just waiting on the site to update my status.

Brian McIlmoyle · January 27th, 2011, 15:41

I suggest you get informed , A lot has changed in the airsoft world in the past 2 years.

for example the issues regarding legal import is pretty much resolved with a solid and secure supply of 100% legally imported full metal guns available to all ( over 18 years old).

Quite a number of Models are now listed on the Firearms Registry Table as legal to import, and sell to individuals, more models are added monthly

The document you are seeking is outdated, and not really relevant to the situation as it stands today.

Tex · January 27th, 2011, 15:44

Oh wow I haven't heard about that letter in years. Since you have already met with a verifier I suggest you wait for it to go through there are a few threads that are in the AV'd section that would be good reads for you.

Schlyder · January 27th, 2011, 16:20

Instead of worrying about airsoft gun laws, worry about aquiring currency for all your future airsoft purchases.

Wayne0188 · January 27th, 2011, 16:23

Ok Thanks, Everything I've read in the faq's section seems to show that the info in the airsoft and canadien law sticky is still acurate, obviously the laws are still in the grey area for airsoft, but if things are changing, would it not be a good idea to make these changes in the faq's section, prefferably in the q and a part.

if there is more info on this, asside from the classifieds, that is restricted from view fron non av'ed members, may i ask why? should info on airsoft and its legal/policy status be available to all whom seek it.

From the info I have been able to read on this forum, my conclusions are that most retailers will only deal with full clear plastic guns, where as the classifieds have full metal guns, and some online only retailers do as well.

my main concerns are with the legal way to transport said full metal guns between home and game. my assumption is that if you follow all the rules of transporting a real steel guns you should be fine. As I really don't want to run the risk of having a cop take away an airsoft gun while im on my way to a game, this is something i want to be fully knowledgeable on.

When you say that there are models available for import, I assume you mean only to retailers, as individuals can only get full clear plastic, and customs can still take it at their discretion. this is what i gather from the threads i have read.

basically what I am saying is that if the info in the threads I am reading is wrong, then why is it the first thing us newcomers are being told to read (ie the stickied faq's)?

Edit: @Schlyder I am not going to allow myself to be ignorant to what laws do affect airsoft, as I do not want any type of criminal record. especially for possession of an illegal item. therefore, I WILL worry about airsoft gun laws, and I would appreciate if you weren't so concerned with my funds. I do not mean to sound disrespectful.

Brian McIlmoyle · January 27th, 2011, 16:40

Laws are not grey.. they are just confusing if you get your info 3rd hand.

Read the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act everything you need is there

kaiu · January 27th, 2011, 16:42

Being AV'd to see the classified, and retailer areas on this site means they won't have to worry about ID issues, since you MUST be 18+ to be av'd in the first place...

Since you obviously don't want to sell to minors... What retailers decide to retail outside of ASC is mainly their choice imo...

*importing stuff, I dunno haha, I don't play on trying anyways though*

theshaneler · January 27th, 2011, 16:55

Its not in the newbie section because if we had it there, all the 13 year olds would just conclude that the boarders are open without reading the info needed to do it properly. They would then come back here and complain that their gun was seized and insist that its all our fault.

Although the info is out there, asc still dosnt like minors with airsoft

Wayne0188 · January 27th, 2011, 16:59

I don't want to be misunderstood, at no point did i intend to imply that I have issues with restricting the classifieds from view to the av'ed members, I am very happy this feature is in place.

Tex said that there was an av'ed section that had info on the laws that affect airsoft, if there is said info, why would contradicting info still be in the faq section?

I am happy to read the criminal code.. and the regulations, and the firearms Act, but most of the info I am looking for is stickied in the faq section (or so I thought). if this info is wrong, why is it still stickied there.

Since the Airsoft Initiative's paper is out of date, then what is the most recent thing they have proposed to the government reguarding the laws that affect airsoft?

Edit @theshaneler I did not ask about the newbie tank, I clearly stated that the things I have been reading were in the faq's section. I am only posting here because i cant post in the faq section till my av status is updated.

Wayne0188 · January 27th, 2011, 17:08

let me rephrase my question, since all I am getting in response is flac for not having the av'd tag on my account yet.

Where on this site can I read current info on the laws and policies that affect airsoft in canada, I will be reading the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act.
but more specific to the point info would be nice?

Brian McIlmoyle · January 27th, 2011, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne0188

I don't want to be misunderstood, at no point did i intend to imply that I have issues with restricting the classifieds from view to the av'ed members, I am very happy this feature is in place.

Tex said that there was an av'ed section that had info on the laws that affect airsoft, if there is said info, why would contradicting info still be in the faq section?

I am happy to read the criminal code.. and the regulations, and the firearms Act, but most of the info I am looking for is stickied in the faq section (or so I thought). if this info is wrong, why is it still stickied there.

Since the Airsoft Initiative's paper is out of date, then what is the most recent thing they have proposed to the government reguarding the laws that affect airsoft?

Edit @theshaneler I did not ask about the newbie tank, I clearly stated that the things I have been reading were in the faq's section. I am only posting here because i cant post in the faq section till my av status is updated.

We are working within the existing laws as they are 100% effective for our uses.

no changes are required, at this point

There may be some legacy info on the site that is out of date.. but all the staff are volunteers and cleaning up that stuff is a lower priority than day to day operations.

Tex · January 27th, 2011, 17:16

All the info about laws for airsoft is freely available online to anyone who takes the time to look for it. We do have some threads talking about them and because they include how and where to buy airsoft guns they must be in the AV'd forum.

Yes some of the FAQ's are outdated but I know I do not have the time to update them and I have more free time than a lot of the staff here. And for me no matter what item or activity I am getting into that I would be worried about the law with I do not take the word from strangers on a web forum educate yourself from the source.

Brian McIlmoyle · January 27th, 2011, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne0188

let me rephrase my question, since all I am getting in response is flac for not having the av'd tag on my account yet.

Where on this site can I read current info on the laws and policies that affect airsoft in canada, I will be reading the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act.
but more specific to the point info would be nice?

more specific and to the point than the actual law?

anything else is someone else's interpretation, which would not be specific or to the point.

but here is an executive summary

all Airsoft guns are 100% legal to posses for anyone over 18 years of age

All airsoft guns are imitation firearms

Some airsoft guns could be deemed replicas if they fire a .22g bb less than 407 FPS

Replicas are prohibited devices and can't be transfered by individuals. But if you have one it's legal to posses.

Clear receiver guns are generally not deemed to be replicas.

If a gun fires over 407 FPS with a .22 g bb it can cause significant bodily harm, and so it is deemed to be a firearm. However seeing as it shots at less than 500 FPS and less than 5.7 joules muzzle energy you do not require a license to transfer it these items are deemed to be "unregulated firearms" and are legal to import, buy , sell , trade , loan or give to another person.

does that make it clear?

Schlyder · January 27th, 2011, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

Laws are not grey.. they are just confusing if you get your info 3rd hand.

Read the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act everything you need is there

^ This, and a bit of common sense.

AS92-RD · January 27th, 2011, 17:34

nvm

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January 27th, 2011, 15:05	#1
Wayne0188 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Trenton ON	Info on the laws effecting airsoft I've searched on google and this site, and found only 2 threads dealing with this, one is closed, and the other is dead, I cant post in either. My question is: is there a copy of the options paper "Airsoft in Canada: Partnership Through Accountability" that i can read? I have some ideas of my own on how the law and policies in canada can change to help the airsoft world, however I would like to read the paper before making suggestions to the people in the Airsoft Initiative. If anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great. ps. before making get av'ed comments, I already met with my local av'er (good guy) and am just waiting on the site to update my status. Last edited by Wayne0188; January 28th, 2011 at 15:56..

January 27th, 2011, 15:41	#2
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	I suggest you get informed , A lot has changed in the airsoft world in the past 2 years. for example the issues regarding legal import is pretty much resolved with a solid and secure supply of 100% legally imported full metal guns available to all ( over 18 years old). Quite a number of Models are now listed on the Firearms Registry Table as legal to import, and sell to individuals, more models are added monthly The document you are seeking is outdated, and not really relevant to the situation as it stands today. __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

January 27th, 2011, 15:44	#3
Tex Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abbotsford, B.C.	Oh wow I haven't heard about that letter in years. Since you have already met with a verifier I suggest you wait for it to go through there are a few threads that are in the AV'd section that would be good reads for you. __________________ W-69 _/\|

January 27th, 2011, 16:20	#4
Schlyder IronOverlord Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Broadview,Saskatchewan	Instead of worrying about airsoft gun laws, worry about aquiring currency for all your future airsoft purchases. __________________

January 27th, 2011, 16:23	#5
Wayne0188 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Trenton ON	Ok Thanks, Everything I've read in the faq's section seems to show that the info in the airsoft and canadien law sticky is still acurate, obviously the laws are still in the grey area for airsoft, but if things are changing, would it not be a good idea to make these changes in the faq's section, prefferably in the q and a part. if there is more info on this, asside from the classifieds, that is restricted from view fron non av'ed members, may i ask why? should info on airsoft and its legal/policy status be available to all whom seek it. From the info I have been able to read on this forum, my conclusions are that most retailers will only deal with full clear plastic guns, where as the classifieds have full metal guns, and some online only retailers do as well. my main concerns are with the legal way to transport said full metal guns between home and game. my assumption is that if you follow all the rules of transporting a real steel guns you should be fine. As I really don't want to run the risk of having a cop take away an airsoft gun while im on my way to a game, this is something i want to be fully knowledgeable on. When you say that there are models available for import, I assume you mean only to retailers, as individuals can only get full clear plastic, and customs can still take it at their discretion. this is what i gather from the threads i have read. basically what I am saying is that if the info in the threads I am reading is wrong, then why is it the first thing us newcomers are being told to read (ie the stickied faq's)? Edit: @Schlyder I am not going to allow myself to be ignorant to what laws do affect airsoft, as I do not want any type of criminal record. especially for possession of an illegal item. therefore, I WILL worry about airsoft gun laws, and I would appreciate if you weren't so concerned with my funds. I do not mean to sound disrespectful. Last edited by Wayne0188; January 27th, 2011 at 16:37..

January 27th, 2011, 16:40	#6
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	Laws are not grey.. they are just confusing if you get your info 3rd hand. Read the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act everything you need is there __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

January 27th, 2011, 16:42	#7
kaiu Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Toronto, ON	Being AV'd to see the classified, and retailer areas on this site means they won't have to worry about ID issues, since you MUST be 18+ to be av'd in the first place... Since you obviously don't want to sell to minors... What retailers decide to retail outside of ASC is mainly their choice imo... importing stuff, I dunno haha, I don't play on trying anyways though Last edited by kaiu; January 27th, 2011 at 16:45..

January 27th, 2011, 16:59	#9
Wayne0188 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Trenton ON	I don't want to be misunderstood, at no point did i intend to imply that I have issues with restricting the classifieds from view to the av'ed members, I am very happy this feature is in place. Tex said that there was an av'ed section that had info on the laws that affect airsoft, if there is said info, why would contradicting info still be in the faq section? I am happy to read the criminal code.. and the regulations, and the firearms Act, but most of the info I am looking for is stickied in the faq section (or so I thought). if this info is wrong, why is it still stickied there. Since the Airsoft Initiative's paper is out of date, then what is the most recent thing they have proposed to the government reguarding the laws that affect airsoft? Edit @theshaneler I did not ask about the newbie tank, I clearly stated that the things I have been reading were in the faq's section. I am only posting here because i cant post in the faq section till my av status is updated. Last edited by Wayne0188; January 27th, 2011 at 17:05..

January 27th, 2011, 17:08	#10
Wayne0188 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Trenton ON	let me rephrase my question, since all I am getting in response is flac for not having the av'd tag on my account yet. Where on this site can I read current info on the laws and policies that affect airsoft in canada, I will be reading the criminal code.. and the regulations , and the firearms Act. but more specific to the point info would be nice?

January 27th, 2011, 17:16	#12
Tex Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Abbotsford, B.C.	All the info about laws for airsoft is freely available online to anyone who takes the time to look for it. We do have some threads talking about them and because they include how and where to buy airsoft guns they must be in the AV'd forum. Yes some of the FAQ's are outdated but I know I do not have the time to update them and I have more free time than a lot of the staff here. And for me no matter what item or activity I am getting into that I would be worried about the law with I do not take the word from strangers on a web forum educate yourself from the source. __________________ W-69 _/\|

January 27th, 2011, 17:34	#15
AS92-RD Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Longueuil, Québec	nvm

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