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Originally Posted by Easy
So would it be safe to assume that and "conclude" that based on the foregoing (and on Flatlander's correct observation) that the flesh impacts caused by the MAX would be no different than plastic bbs at the same velocities? In fact probably not even noticed? (unless we bring the velocities to something like 10 joules then things will probably change a lot).
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My personal feeling is that the paper is an attempt to address the accusation that BBBMax is somehow potentially 'lethal' than a BB round. I think that question is more complicated that just the BBBMax round itself, it comes down to velocities and player behavior. A plastic BB can be just as 'lethal' in that definition if the velocity is high enough and the target is unprotected or that protection fails.
I think given the Canadian perspective, field limits here tend to be 400fps @ .20gr for AEG, and 400-450fps for sniper (using a BA at minimum engagement distances or semi-auto), you'd need to do your testing in that range to make any useful determination. As I've said, I'm not really interested in HK or Switzerland as an analog to Canada. The army does not loan us vehicles to play on, the government does not give us land to play on (its all private) and there are no rules about biodegradability unless a field or property owner has that concern, which from what I have seen, largely, they don't.
However, I think Canada and the US is much more focused on safe play though rules and velocity and ammunition restrictions (I chrony guns at all my games and routinely reject players guns that shoot outside these set limits) and here in lies the reason WHY you see a thread like this and why its contraversial here.
I don't know where that line is and the BBBMax information doesn't really address it.
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Originally Posted by Easy
Though my personal experience is probably not acceptable. In 2 years of use by our team the MAX has not penetrated any mask or goggle. In fact this was the conclusion on the MAX thread over at Arnies [sigh].
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One thing I should point out, when I say goggle, I also mean safety glasses. On private fields we permit the use of certain kinds of safety glasses as opposed to paintball goggles. In my travels through the Arnie's thread, I didn't see this discussed - I don't know if this is an issue in Europe or if there is a goggle-only rule over there.
My tests will involve field player level velocities (400fps full auto) and sniper (450fps semi auto). I should point out that these safety limits evolved here over several years as we found the limits of the safety equipment that people want to play with over here, there is no governing body that made this rule, but, in public and private games (most you can attend) you'll be subject to these velocity restrictions. There are pockets of players that do "HK Rulez" as its called but they do their own thing anyways and will play however they want, but they aren't largely represented on this board.