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Old December 31st, 2007, 00:53   #26
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Originally Posted by MadMax View Post
Wow, you're not only a PTW extremist. You're an Armalite PTW extremist.

It's quite possible for SystemA to register the motor directly to the gearbox. All they've got to do is use a similar quarter twist bayonet style engagement as they did with the Armalite before the plastic lower grip is slide over the motor. This would be an improvement over the Armalite build as you would only have to achieve accurate engagement between two major assemblies (motor-gearbox) whereas the Armalite requires accurage engagement between three bodies (gearbox-rec'r-motor).

Putting in a third switch to detect the 4th f/a position is pretty easy with a similar rack and pinion slider similarly to the Armalite series. The could put a gap in the middle of the engagement surface of the slider so the middle switch is closed in the 3rd position (3rnd) but not in the 2nd (semi) or 4th (full auto) positions. If they double the pinion diameter on the selector switch (double the diameter from the armalite series) they can achieve a long enough throw distance on the rack slider to actuate four distinct switch combos. The wiring to the control board would only be slightly more complicated by adding one temporary connection to the middle switch to the already available pinouts that we use to hack 3rnd burst switches.

One touch takedown isn't really all that necessary a feature in airsoft or even training. The real deal requires some tools to take down. It's more realistic to require tools to dissamble it's replica. Besides, it would be better to train armorors with the real deal instead of it's electrical simulator.

SystemA has been pretty good at making mechanically strong AEGs. I can only hope they learned some lessons with their Armalites and ditched their ridiculous hop up and magazine assembly. The Armalite HU sucks and the way the retention fingers work with the HU to release bbs is overcomplicated. TM developed a very elegant mag-HU assembly. It's tolerant to the economical manufacturing tolerances TM manufactures with and it outperforms SystemA's work in this area. I'd say that it's the only area where SystemA lags behind TM in outright performance.
My point is, it will not be able to be 100% compatable on internals. And with Systemas recent QC hiccups on "new technologies" (490 motors for example), I see no reason to be even the slightest bit enthusiastic until they release info and pictures of the interior. And who says their new way of motor mounting will be better? You're assuming they'll have a new gearbox shell, which they may, but they may manufacture an adapter to do the job, or it could be a Magnum motor instead of a PTW motor. Hell, it could even be a Ver 2 gearbox for all we know. The new EL-001 board are different in 2008, the "hack" you do now for 3-burst is no longer possible in the same manner, and control is different.

This gun has been 4 years "in development" or "coming soon". This is not a new and to be excited about thing here. I knew of it's existance and development long before most of ASC did, so I've had a long time for the excitement to wear off.

THis is the best available info so far:

SYSTEMA Major Dealers,

PTW MP5: I am surprised at so many inquiries. Although it is a new product, I never got so many inquires until now. I never imagined that we got reservations when not only specification but also price is not yet decided.We will inform about reservation start as early in 2008 as possible.

Very many inquiries do not decrease at all but just increase, so I report current state:

(1) Production is very favorable. The trial production is completed about 80 percent now.

(2) It already worked. It realized the shooting feeling which we have never felt. It is the best PTW that reached to the extreme performance.

(3) It is very heavy. It is about 4kg! It is so heavy and you need power to holding.

The difference of the light movement by the ultimate performance of outside rigidity and inside mechanism is remarkable.
Everyone cannot help being surprised, laughing and shooting.

(4)Although we are trying hard not to become more expensive than this, the scheduled price is $ 980, Y98000. It may become a bit more expensive.

We are trying as hard as possible so that we can provide at this fixed price. (Although it is the best performance and quality, we set the fixed price as low as possible so that you all could shoot this wonderful new product this time. If you try this, you can certainly be satisfied. It is the product which makes you feel relatively cheap.)

(5) We will announce it at SHOTSHOW early in February. (Las Vegas, US).
We plan to start selling on March 1st.

(6) We plan to start selling MP5 challenge kit on the same day. (Scheduled price $880, Y88000)

(7) I am very sorry but the number of first time lots is only 300. I am sorry!
Although I expect they will be sold out by reservation, as for the first lot, we will allocate them not in order of reservation but with the number of your order.

(7) We will keep trying hard wholeheartedly so that we can provide more next month. Thank you for your kind understanding

(8) When the number which can be shipped is less than the number of orders, we will ship immediately after we produce it. .

(9) Although I have already got many reservation orders because some definitely wanted to reserve, since the first time lot will be allocation, I have accepted it. Thank you very much for a lot of inquiries and orders.

Thank you very much. Thank you for your consideration. The attached pictures are of the trial production which I brought to my home.

Kumi Yoshida
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