The 416 kit brad is talking about is the one I ordered. I was looking forward to having a unique tw. I was at brads last night to assist and was completly and utterly dissapointed.
We got my kit and brads factory built 416 from a reputable systema and FCC retailer however I don't think it's courteous to name them as it may negatively affect their sales. These flaws are not the retailers fault, simply the manufacturers.
As I watched brad work and grind on the pieces he had bought for his 7lbs project I wax thinking "isn't this the egsactly reason I got out of aeg and went to ptw, so I don't have to fiddle modify and Jerry rig a gun together? So why are we doing it now with a modular build tw?" I was extremely dissapointed that it seemed the parts were not made with the same tolerances and engineering you would see on a systema. With a systema any part gen1-gen4 is generably reusable/ interchangeable. More over, any real steel part you like will generally install as is or with minor tweeking. To me it seemed either FCC r&d is not as comprehensive or they are deliberately engineering their products so that they are proprietary.
My initial inspection of the fb 416 was unimpressed. The finish of the body seemed lees than impressive. When you open the box of a ptw you go "wow" the finish is top notch it looks and pretty much glows. You wonder if its real or Airsoft. This 416 I opened it and wondered the exact same thing, "is it real or fake?" But in the sense of is it a real tw or is it a Walmart special. Honestly the we 416 on the wall at splatter paintball in gp looks as good if not slightly better visually and that's a $400 gun. And further more, when you picked the gun up the piston clunked back and forth in the gun, the moe grip doesn't sit flush against the reciever. On that note, why is there an moe grip on there? Where's the 416 grip? Why was there a crane stock that looked like it belongs on a dboys m4 on there? Where's the 416 club foot or le style stock? I didn't say it to brad but I would have been furious if I had spent $3k on this gun. I honestly do not see the point of the purchase. I would rather but a systema and buy all magpul furniture a box of mags and possibly a Daniel defense or Troy rail for the same money or slightly less. Now that bring said maybe it will perform great, but how much better than a mcguyvered or tacked ptw can it perform to make up for all the shortcomings?
Thankfully I didn't jump on the 416 let alone the fcc band wagon and I bought the kit against my better judgment ant pretty much against my choice. However the kit left a lot to be desired as well. If anyone remembers the old ptw kits where you had to literally assemble every component, this is the same. From The furniture to the guide and retention receivers on the rail which the retention bolt go through you have to install the Roll pins in the rail that the receivers mount on and if you don't do it right, you can't slide the rail past the gas block. Thankfully we had a spare ptw barrel shim to use on my assembly as FCC couldn't be bothered to send a few in the kit and we needed one to get the barrel nut spaced right to allow the rail retention bolt to be utilized.
The sights, as brad mentioned, the bolt socks out at least 1/4", ya sure if these were dboys sights I'd understand but these are the famed fcc's sights.
Why did I get a ccw thread converter? Why didn't I get a cw one as well?
My lower....
Well as brad said while installing the mechbox the front mechbox retention screw is significantly larger that the rear. Like really!? Are you fucking serious? How the fuck does that happen? Aren't they drilled via a machine and a jig? I could understand maybe done 8 year old factory worker doesn't want to loose their .50$ a day job and maybe used the wrong bit or stripped it while tapping the threads, but no. It's bigger and cleanly tapped. Well maybe theyre proprietary? well wouldnt you think they would thtow the proprietary hardware in as well? It's probably in the same bag as the barrel shims. Go fuck yourself FCC.
Another thing I noticed, most everyone has dealt with a broken lower reciever on their ptw, so why is it FCC would feel the need to drill a small hole on each dude of the back end of the lower reciever- right where the lower breaks on a systema- weakening the integrity of that particular area. Why? Is it to allow adapter airflow? Allow rain, or must in there to cool down my mechbox, clean my gears and clean my optical sensors? Can't be the last one, that is clearly why they sent me a dust cover that I can't close so you can look inside past and below the hop chamber to see your mag. Thankfully rain or must can get in to keep my optics and switch clean and lubed. I think FCC forgot the point of this piece. Or no body told them its called a "dust cover" not a "trap door" for a reason.
All in all, I don't understand why
A) anyone would but a $3000 416 when you can buy a systema and add the items you like. Or even buy a systema and the FCC kit for slightly cheaper.
B) for $1000 why buy the kit? With that ammount of money you could do any number of unique options to you tw platform. From a monolithic upper, to full magpul, to anything else.
Essentially these are for fanboys and wagon jumpers. This isn't a quality item this is a cash grab item poorly made, poorly engineered and poorly finished. I can't see myself selling my ptw over this 416 and unless I somehow get struck by cuspids arrow I don't see myself running this unit on a regular basis or unless I decide to become a reenactor and want to model my team after zero dark thirty.
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Last edited by swatt13; April 30th, 2013 at 14:05..
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