"Sniper" Gear
 

Hey guys, just wondering how most snipers carry there Extra Rifle mags? Do you just throw them in a pouch or pocket? Or have specific pouches made?


Any help would be awesome!

I use a stock mounted Eagle pouch:

http://warrior-gear.com/store/pc/vie...&idcategory=70

and hold a second mag in there (mine take 24 rounds each), as well as I keep a magnet to hold my adjustment allen keys and various length small hop up set screws (incase I need them), maybe a small bag of BBs too (I have the CA M24, the space in front of the trigger guard has a metal door, I can keep a bag of 100 rounds in there easy.)

Ah, i see. What about your secondary? Would a drop-leg be uncomfortable or would say a shoulder or hip holster be better?

drop legs are okay if you don't mind dragging the ground with you. belt mounted holster behind you works.

Oh, good idea! Also, If i didnt want to have that stock pouch, where else could i keep the other Magazines? Also, how many should i carry? They hold 25 Each for my Maruzen APS-2

If I have any space on a rig Ill toss my vsr mags in pistol mag pouches.

Oh, that would be awesome! Thanks, ill look into that.

No problem. What mags are you looking to keep on you.

I've got a Maruzen APS-2 SV. So far, I'm thinking Of a Battle Belt(Molle) with Holster, and Pistol Mag pouches, or anything that fits them nice. I'll just bring one when i go buy them.

Then a CamelBack and the rest of the suit..(Ghillie, boots, ect)

Yeah they should fit in the pistol pouches. They look quite close to the vsr ones.

Most the time all I use for a small game is a dump pouch or 2 for every thing on me. 1 for mags, 1 for snacks and bb's. Worked well for me so far.

Alright, thanks Outcast. How many mags do you usually Carry? I'm thinking of getting 3 more..

pistol mag pouches on my dropleg!

What kind of Magazines pouches are you using Thunder?

The APS2 mags will fit into pistol mag pouches....however, they only fit if you compress the top of the mag down (like how the mag sits up in the well). This means that the feeder part of the mag is sticking out from the pouch slightly and you run the (slight) risk of breaking it off if it snags on roots (for example).

When I'm doing a DM role, I use the same set up as you are looking at;
A molle battle belt with 5 pistol mag pouches (two for the APS mags, and 3 for my side arm mags).
Otherwise the mags are in my right upper chest pocket for easy access while prone (less required movement during reloads).

SHA DO

Ya, drop leg holster you can't go cheap on for a secondary, you need something with a stiff hanger to keep it secure. I've run a Blackhawk Omega III for years with my G19 and it's worked great for crawling. Cheaper ones will slide to the front and get in your way.

A battle belt is a must, is the only real way to carry extra mags, dump pouch, etc. while in 'sniper mode'.

Since you have an APS, to mags should be good enough for you unless you make yourself a hunter/DM full time, then you'll either need more mags or a means to reload them. If you play like 98% of guys on here think an airsoft sniper role is......................... lying in wait all day for a single kill (ahem, bullshit!!!) you don't need mags, just a round chambered and a couple extra BBs on your person, plus water.

Yeah i know, im thinking of 3 extra mags, although i really dont like the feeling of a dropleg, hence why im looking at the Battle Belt! :

Consider a lower back concealed holster then, like a pancake inside belt style holster. Something you can draw and fire while lying full prone.

Drop legs are great actually, just have to get a good one (many out there, none under $50 though.)

Three mags, I have run and will run once I fix my thrid one again, but I cn get away with one or two mags often, but at times I have to reload one or both of them just because my rifle is used so much............... and this is when I have my MP5 as my primary, so many times the rifle is addictive to use where an AEG feels like a beginner's gun.

Oh, tip: Load your sniper ammo by hand, never by speedloader. Hence why you just need a small bag of BBs and two mags. Reload when you have time to.

Yeah, so far its pretty difficult to load by speedloader, and also doesn't allow you to count, because at 25 they wont feed. I've been thinking of using my aks-74u as a backup, but it would be much more uncomfortable, and the bolt would impale me.

So so far, this is what im thinking.

Battle Belt
Pistol holster in back(one mag only :( )
Pistol Mag pouches for APS Mags
Admin pouch of some sort to hold BB's, snacks
Camel Back

ROFLMFAO......waiting for that one shot all day crap. Dude, to be at least a reasonably good sniper, you gotta work for that first kill, move, pass up a kill or two while you work a new FFP and hit them again from a completely different angle. Repeat. Repeat. Have a smoke break, then hit them again. Make them fear you.
Get them so confused that they think there are at least three of you working the area.....and you cannot do this laying in wait all day.
This will mean a lot of ground hugging at times, so make sure your kit works for you, and is secure.

SHA DO

That's why i've consulted the "professionals"!

Another question, when wearing the Ghillie, would it not cover, and make getting to your Gear underneath impossible? And when deciding to make a ghillie, which style should i do? Just the back with foam padded front? Foam padded with everything ghillied?

The easiest ways to make your kit that is under your ghillie accessible is to sew a light weight fabric to the under side of the netting over the area you will be needing to access (obviously use a earthy coloured material). This will prevent your hand (and kit) from getting snagged on the netting.
You can layer your netting so that you have a "flap" to reach under to access your kit.
The type of ghillie is completely up to you, and how you move....just avoid placing jute on the front of the ghille any lower than your pecs. You won't get snagged on things as much, and you'll get a lower profile.
Padding is again your choice. But I'd go with something very thin, or just reinforce the front with canvas or cordura in key locations. Adding to much material to the front of the ghillie raises your body higher off the ground (increasing the profile you expose to observers).

SHA DO

dropleg on my right leg carries my 1911 MEU
dropleg on my left has a 100round pouch, and condor double pistol mag pouch for VSR mags
I find it's not fun wearing the molle belt unless I also have my chest rig or plate carrier on since I've got double M4 pouches on the belt

the single BB that whizzes by an ear and hits with a tremendous thwack against a tree or building, and then nothing puts enough fear in people. the adrenalin rushes as the try to find the shooter because they know they are all marked. hahahaha

The above comment is not related to this thread, but I had to comment on it as it made me ROFLMFAO for about 10 minutes. 'Cause you know it's so true bro!!!

SHA DO

Obviously that is exactly what I do. I just get fed up with guys telling new want to try sniping that all a sniper in airsoft does is sit around for long hours waiting to shoot someone................. I just needed a place to vent my drunken frustration. Lol

Regarding padding, initially I tried sleeping bag pad under thin material, it was way too thick and stiff, hard to bend knees. After I went with that cupboard liner, thin porous foam sheets you can buy at CT, Dollarama, etc. doubled it up and sewed thin OD cotton fabric overtop, it works great and is flexible. And if you are going to make a ghilie, and choose to attach it to a BDU, use Shoo Goo to attach the netting, cut out the back of the jacket, the armpits (sew in OD mesh) and the crotch for ventilation. I did this with my boonie too (which has a woodland camo 'cape' covering the back of my neck which supports the ghillie part of it and keeps the jute off my neck).

Fuck, you know what's worse?
When a sniper (Sha Do) fires off a shot and picks off your gun while you're winding a hi-cap.

I was behind a bush, waiting for awhile till enemies came in range. Some came, killed a few, had to reload and somehow I grabbed a hicap.

So, I'm prone behind this bush winding my hicap with my gun in front of my face.
*PING* right off the mag.
If that gun was not right in front of my face I would've been dead, thank god gun hits did not count that game too!

On topic though.
One thing I would take into account, is how many people are going to be at this game. If there is going to be loads, you may want extra mags and such.

so 100% true. I've been on the receiving end of a couple of those from you and the first time I spent so much time trying to find you it distracted me from a team on my flank. hahaha



op sorry for the thread hijack!

Haha, no problem guys!

So im thinking when i start to construct my Ghillie, to use a flight suit, is this okay?
Our games Here at Op-for are usually around 20 people, especially when it starts getting cold, it slows down. But in the Summer, it can go up to around 30-50.
So I'm thinking 4 Magazines will be good, if worst comes to worst i can always try to reload.

Regarding, The "flap" ShaDo was talking about, do you mean literally a cut in the net, to be able to reach under? And for the padding, I'm just thinking of padding the legs/knees, stomach and chest, and elbows with some thin foam, then shoo-goo some tough fabric over, or couple with stitching.

I'll probably get used to reloading, as i only have one pistol mag for my NBB P226, which i don't think you can buy separate mags for.

Actually, you should stick with (if limited for pouches to place mags) two mags for your rifle and get a pistol that you can buy more mags for. Seriously, when it comes to pistol and rifle only, your pistol should be seen as your primary (picture walking into an ambush, what would you rather fire back with, your rifle or a semi auto pistol?) and add more pistol mags to your carry rig. The rifle you can only use once in a while, but you'll rely heavily on your pistol a lot more. Trust me on this, I do it a LOT and have for years!

Alright, so I'll hunt for some more mags for the pistol, and get 2 extra APS-2 magazines. But Im kind of trying to focus My money on my Rifle first, maybe a new pistol will come later. Considering a part time job, plus full upgrades, i have to save haha

Also, Im not sure if you know, but what dominant colour should i use for My ghillie? Im in B.C

http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/z...9/CIMG5531.jpg
http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/z...9/CIMG5542.jpg
http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/z...9/CIMG5544.jpg

http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/MK23_gear01.jpg

This is what I wear under my ghillie suit.
In the pouches I got a couple spair mags, usually 4, but can go as much as 8 depending on wich rifle I use. I also have loose ammo, food, drink, map and compas. Calculator, small binocular, range cards (prototypes for airsoft... see my sniper clinics)

I also have a secondary with 3 mags on my molle under arms panels.

This kit is light and very low profile. I keep the top of my ghillie open for aeration and accessing my gear under.

I was hoping to get a similar set-up going for myself. Out of curiosity, what type of ghillie suit are you wearing over that?

YES
I've rushed a lot of people with my pistol and came out alive lol
But when it's too cold for the pistol, I can still fire my VSR pretty damn fast

Im just curious on why not to use the speed loader?

Is it the noise your getting at or having to have an adaptor?

the speedloader pusher puts pressure on your nice soft plastic BBs, possibly slightly deforming them. Not an issue for an M4, but it'll make a difference in an 80 yard shot in the wind

Ever watch the movie Sniper? See where he's prepping the tips of his rounds with a nailfile to make sure they fly true? Exactly the same thing, if you force the BBs into the mag with a loader, you won't know if there are any small cuts on the surface because of the loader, the feed lips, etc. Loading the rounds in by hand reduces any chances of nicking the surface. If you get a nick on the surface of the BB, it'll catch the air as it's flying and veer off. Ya, I've used loaders in the past for quick loading rounds on the field, but you have to deal with the rattling of a half filled loader, plus being unsure that the surface of your ammo is still perfect.

do you snipers use claymore? idk if theres such thing for airsoft lol

There are, but few players as it is use those things. Me, if I was to set up a booby trap, I'd use my M11A1 strapped to a tree, pointed down the trail and a trip wire set up. But that's just me. :)

So, i havent been able to find any more mags... any ideas? Or will i be fine if i can reload fast :P We dont have tons of guys that come out all the time, so i doubt i will use it much if i try not to, if they get close, ill back up and use the APS! :)

Am sure you can go most of the day with just two mags for your rifle, just carry a small ziplock bag of BBs in your gear and reload/top off your mags during the quiet times. Is all I do. Besides, you have almost 50rds for it, be thankful you aren't using a KJW M700, those mags are heavy and only hold 10 each. :)

Alright, so I've found my pistol mags, how many do you think i should have? at least 2? I really dont mind reloading, and if worst come to worst, i can take the hit. It's only a game after all, and for the APS, ill grab 3 extra, which i think should be good.

For those posting here, what kind of style ghillie do you use? Do you mind telling me the pros, and cons of each style? I havent been able to find much on the different ones, but i think i nly want the back, and the chest ghillied.

What kind would that be?

Here's my old sniper kit for reference. Pouches on the left are custom made APS2, CA M24 and Type 96 pouch. I can double VSR mag in one pouch.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/233/dsc09676bp7.jpg

Nice, looks pretty lightweight and lowdrag, where did you keep your pistol damage? Dropleg?

Ive been looking at the KJW M700 for awhile now. You can get 30 round mags for around 80 bucks :)

how would you rate the KJW M700?

I've heard that Gas snipers arent as good as Spring, seeing as you cant use them in the winter. But cool none-the less

I dont mind, anyone can post questions, In more recent news...

I've got an extra Pistol mag on the way hopefully, so I'm good for the pistol now.
What do you think about using a flight suit as the base for my ghillie?
Also, This is what im now thinking in terms of Gear:
Battle Belt
1 Pistol Mag pouch
3 APS pouches(possibly pistol pouches)
Admin pouch(snacks, BB's, Map)
Camel Back

Will this be sufficient for Me? Our longest sim i've been at so far, is only around 3-4 hours, so It's not like this is a kit made for an all day experience.... yet :)

Ya, the Tanaka M700 30rd mags do work.

It's an ok rifle, really accurate when you dry swab the barrel every 20 shots (when my daughter was 11 she loved to shoot bottlecaps at 30ft in the basement with mine), and can easily get 1/2" groups with good ammo. Not a lot of upgrades to do to it, more tweaks than anything else like file down the inner feed lips because they nick the BB surface (makes the bolt forward motion smoother too), and the before mentioned filing the mag lips. I've only gamed it once but was used to my CA M24 so is why I've only gamed it once, wasn't used to the 700.

Overall, great rifle for the price, if you can deal with it being gas. Oh ya, fill the mag with gas first, fire 3-4 shots to settle the gas, then load with BBs. Otherwise you'll get insane fps like 100-150fps over what it settles to.

I rarely carry a pistol with me. I sling my CQB M4 gives me the edge who ever comes close.

Hmm, turns out i cannot grab te extra pistol mag i found, so maybe i should use My CYMA AKs-74u? I could try removing the stock temporarily, and just get a pouch or two for some midcaps.

Also, question about the ghillie again, So far i have understood that you were the pants, then a shirt with your gear, and your Ghillie on top? Or your gear on top of the ghille?

gear under the ghillie. wearing gear over your ghillie won't help disguise you if people can see you pack/vest etc..

Yeah, thats what i was confused about. In terms of my secondary, Is there a way to Remove the folding stock on the CYMA Aks-74u? Theres a back pin in the stock, but it wont budge, and i dont want to force it. Never know about pot metal. ;)

Why remove the stock? just leave it folded till you need the weapon.. then unfold it. It's pretty compact when its folded.

You might consider one of these to add to a belt:

http://www.optactical.com/snwa.html

I have one and it works decently, keeps your mags, etc. on your back. Having an AEG along with you in a sniper role is a double edged sword, it gives you added firepower when you need it, but makes crawling and stealth moving a pain because it snags on stuff, more so when crawling with rifle, you have to move each ahead of you before you can move. Picture crawling slowly through brush, move rifle ahead through brush, move AEG next, move your body up....... repeat. Taking the mag out would be beneficial (ESPECIALLY if it's an AK!!!), I have a similar problem since i only own MP5s as AEGs, they have the same long length mags, although I do have a shorty I use at times.

Just curious, has anyone run a shoulder molle platform? I was thinking of getting one to supplement my belt while avoiding adding any more front-side bulk. It seems good and out of the way, but I'd like to hear some first hand opinions before I do anything else.

*something like this:
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=21877

minus the holster, plus mag/misc storage pouches. I run my sidearm at the hip on my belt.
Also, does anyone know where I can find one with the molle running vertically so the pouches open forwards rather than up into your armpit or down to your hips?

First things about Ghillies. FIREPROOF YOUR GHILLIE!

2nd thing about Ghillie. DRINK WATER. Heat stroke is a real concern with these things, and they can absorb a huge amount of water which weighs you down and just messes with your body's ability to thermo-regulate.

3rd thing about ghillies, they only enhance your skill, they don't replace your skill in stealth; they are not an invisibilty cloak

4th thing about ghillies, Ghillies are time consuming to make, and there is quite a bit of art to them, rather than science.


So, when you're dealing with ghillies there are three major types. Full body, BDU based, a cape/tog.

The full body are pretty much useless for airsoft use.Full Body (even though it's in the category of "paintball/airsoft") You'll catch on twigs and such, try crawling with that thing. Even on the same wesbite looked at their "Sniper" Ghillie

BDU based
This allows you to crawl around much easier (see the "Sniper" Ghillie for an example). Sometimes you'll see Duck Canvas on strategic points or on the whole front torso.

My recommendation for you is the cloak/tog style.
Viper Hood - Most Expensive
SO Tech Ghillie Cloak - Good deal if you order from them, they initially were $220+ so retailers are generally keeping it at the higher price
Voodoo Tactical Ghillie Tog - Airsoft grade, but the cheapest One Shot tactical sells them here so it's already in Canada.

LBT use to make something similar, but isn't being listed now.

I have seen a guy (Now, awesome skillset and perfectly tuned gun) recieve the Voodoo tactical tog the night before a game, show up at the game and just use cut foliage to hand us a complete team kill by himself.

You're going to want to keep your F3 (F**king a football factor) low, so you can crawl well. Maybe even some molle shoulder holsters (see Tactical Tailor) along with a belt.

Tunabreath, you do realize that the real thing (see the Tactical Tailor link above) is cheaper than the Redwolf knockoff?? (Yes, it doesn't come with the pistol holster, but who cares).

Off the top of my head you'll want:
Rifle + extra magazines + BB's + Gas (assuming you can find a small can)
Pistol + no more than 1 extra mag (if you're getting into a pistol fight -going- to a firing position, then that position is probably comprimised, pull back and move somewhere else)
Hydration (remember 2nd thing to know about Ghillies)
Radio + headset (Observation is critical for you, make sure you can communicate it and recieve intel)
Booboo kit (small personal first-aid kit, bandaids, tweezers, moleskin; you're crawling through crap, don't let a scrape go septic)

Optional (realize I'm suggesting this for airsoft, so mil snipers will disagree here):
Binoculars (you have a scope, use it; if you're going more authentic, go for the 7x50 or 10x50's)
Pruning Shears (Sorry, not listed on Gerber's site anymore, and can't find the military/green ones... don't know if there is a difference between what I posted at them... but mine are built like a tank, 1" trees are no match for them)
Food (only when you're not in a hide, and don't carry stuff that is going to make you gassy, smelly, or upset your stomach)


Do NOT carry:
Energy drinks (especially sugary ones, you'll crash; or the caffiene will make you antsy and gittery, plus the need to piss is not condusive to successful sniping)
Drag Bag (Instead, leave your backpack at spawn point and go extra light)
Entrenching Shovel (For advanced skills only, because dealing with with the dirt that you dug up is a real skill)


BTW, get obsessive about your BB handling techniques. I know snipers who wash their BB's to remove the polish (better engagement with the hopup), dye them black (harder to trace the shot back to you), only touch them with their hands the one time that they load them

Good luck

Regarding fireproofing, good idea, most store bought (the stuff sold in large sheets at CT and Rona anyways as it's meant for winter tree-wrapping, decorative wall covering, so it's mandatory), is already treated with fireproofing to a point (a lit cigarette won't ignite it, might smolder after a few mins of being left on, even fine strands, the lit part goes out when source is remove), but will still burn fast if an open flame is held to it. Not sure just how far further fireproofing will make it, but is still a good idea overall.

There are specific products out there

You gotta remember that most ghillie suits are treated in various ways i.e spray paint, alternate materials, and even fire-retardants (According to the ANSI standards) are only generally rated for 1 year; so it can wear off. Does the spray paint comprimise the fire-retardant?

Still, weathering your Ghillie adds fireproofing. Soak your Ghillie in mud, let it dry, beat it thoroughly with a stick. Mud should not be swamp muck, and should be from your area of operations.

Did that after I made it, and usage it collects mud and sand dust regularly. Makes sense though, since sand/dirt isn't flammable.

Someone asked.

My first ghillie suit looked like this.
http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/ghillietest.jpg
It was it's first field test and it was not yet weathered. But still effective for where I was.

http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/ghillie14.jpg
That was the greener version. Not fully weathered.

http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/m24ghillie03.jpg
Rifle ghillied

I don't have many pics of me in ghillie suit, as I usually spend a long time in the field and I'm rarely where people take pictures.

It's a basic one size too large US woodland BDU that I moded. Vented the back, modded the pants for velcro opening for the boots. Re-enforced the legs and elbos. Modded the colar to make a hood. Removec all buttons and put a little velcro...

http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/ghillie12.jpg
This pic was taken after finishing the first version.

http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/ghillie10.jpg
This is what it looked like once finished and on me. Notice the lack of jute at the front and everywhere you will make contact with the ground. To fassilitate crawling. That is very important and it's lacking in most comercial ghillie suit.

Now my ghillie suit is busted to shit, almost completely brown and dark green. It match verywell in most forest environement, but I ripped it on so much stuff, I need to make a new one.

Crap, I forgot to mention that... but, Fox_111, you gave me an idea.

You could always get a professional rifle wrap made up (scroll to the bottom of the page). You send him pictures of your AO, and he does up it up. But, you get the wrap made up and then you can use that as a template for your suit/cape to help you along as to how things should look. (Realize that this has nothing to do with the gear question, but would help the OP make his Ghillie)

His prices are not too steep, but nothing beat doing it yourself over a couple of houres and get the exact result you want.

That last part:: For every time filling the magazine or just the first time for the day??

thanks for all the information

How long did your M700 last?

But how easy is it to go insane either over doing it or under doing it? How many people put too much garnish on their first suit? Then you just look like a bush, rather than nothing. How many people don't allow some variation between different areas of the suit? Buying a wrap would allow to you to see how a 'pro' has done it. And then can you gleen ideas from that (even as simple as knot tying technique)

Oborous

every time you fill your mag.

Well, to tell you the truth, i really want to build the ghillie myself. Like Fox_111 said, its kind of cool to have done it yourself, not just be lazy and order one. That being said, it also is cheaper i would assume than buying a ghillie.

So im still kind of confused, using Fox's Ghillie as a Example, when would you put your gear on? Over that ghillie? Or under? If under, do you have to pull your shirt up to get anything?

I think im going to stick with my pistol for now, see how it goes. I want to be as light as possible, seeing as the Rifle is cumbersome enough. I'll grab more mags when possible.

I'm going to assume my Ghillie will need to be a mix or Dark, light green and some brown? Here are some reference pictures of Op-for.

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5508.jpg

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5530.jpg

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5534.jpg

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5535.jpg

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5544.jpg

http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/z...t=CIMG5547.jpg

How long per gas fill? Maybe 20 shots (two mags worth of BBs). And yes, after every time you fill the mag with gas. The reason I say is because early on I found (testing in the basement after I got it) that the after fill pressure was insane. Was June, 2005 I think, +34C outside, cooler in my basement, using propane my first shot chronied 710fps, second was 690fps, third was 610fps, and the rest were all 550-560 pretty steadily. Duster showed the same trend, just 100fps lower. NOTE: This is the way the striker spring was set when I got it, it is adjustable for power, just not for field adjustment, tools are required and you risk losing the screws and the spring cups if you try on the field.

Then how many people buy a sniper rifle and have no idea of what they are doing? Same goes with any loadout...

If you intend on doing something right, educate yourself on how to do it. If not, pay someone to do it, but look like a fool using it. In the end, same result: failure or inadequacy.

How hard is it anyway to tie little jute strand on a net and mixing color and lenght? I think a preschooler can do a descent job.

I really did mean how long the gun did last, not the gas :D But good to know anyways :)

Depending on what you carry, you'd be better to have a slim loadout that is worn under the ghillie suit. That way, you don't have to ghillie your gear and you can leave to top part of your ghillied BDU shirt open to access your stuff. You can also lift the bottom part to reach lower item on your belt.

It's nothing fancy really.

Wear your usual team uniform, add your sniper loadout. Once on the field, ready to move covert, put on your ghillie suit over all that stuff. That's why I like 2 peices ghillie that are one or two size bigger than what I usually wear. I mod the pants so they open at the bottom, up to the knee, so I can put them on without removing my boots. Voila. Simple as that.

And also, if it's raining or muddy, wear your goretex suit UNDER your ghillie, but over your gear. So you can remove it if it's getting too hot, or the rain clear. That way, your ghillie will get soaked (it should be if it's raining) and you will stay dry and confy.

My first sniper clinic was held under pooring rain. Everyone was soaked wet, But I think most managed to stay warm under their goretex.
http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/sniper_clinic001-2.jpg
http://aqar.no-ip.org:8080/sniper_clinic001-1.jpg
Forgive my un-ghillied head, I had to run, my camera was on a timer and it was raining badly on my 3000$+ baby.

Notice how the wet ghillies match the ground, even without local garnishing?
That's why you need a base color that match your ground color. Here it's more brown with little gree and tan.

Having your goretex on bring another challenge. You need to hide it, since it's shiny and under NV observation, it GLOW.

Alright, thanks for the info everyone. What colors do you think I should use? Dark green as a base? With lighter green and brown mixed in?

There are some reference pictures in one of my last posts. :)

For BC id say Dark green. A marpat style of pattern would seem to work well there.

Alright, thanks guys. You've been a great help!

For My rifle, do you think Medium, or Low mounts looks better? I have low mounts at the moment, and they work well, but It looks very low. What do you guys think?

You mean a scope mount? I'd get one as low as your scope and rifle allow. Granted that you don't play with paintball mask or paintball goggles.

If not, then you are stuck with the hight you'll need to accomodate the mask.

And for ghillie suit base color, I always say to use the color of the ground. Not the vegetation. If the main color of the ground is brown (no leafs) then go with brown and tan color. That way, when you play in fall or spring and it's not yet green, your ghillie suit will work. For summer use, just add local vegetation and you will blend perfecly.

Don't put black in your ghillie. Black represend shadow on 2D camo. Your ghillie suit is oviously 3D and it will create it's own shadows.

We play with Paintball goggles, of which mine are Only the goggles. With the lower mounts, they work fine. do you recommend the lowest possible because the lower profile, the better camouflage?

Also, could the Base of the Ghillie Be just some OD pants and Top? Or would Camo really work better?

The lower your scope sit on your rifle, the less you have to accomodate Hight Over Bore and the more you will be able to ajust in the vertical plane to compensate for drop or elevation. And lastly, to a somewhat futile extent, it look better.

Your ghillie suit base can be anything, except neon pink colors... But I prefer camo patern, because your base BDU will be visible sometime when you are not prone. The more camoed you are, the better. You will not always be shooting in the prone too. Sometime, you will be laying on your side or all 4.

Alright sounds good. Totally was going to use Bright pink, but you've persuaded me ;)

Also, I'm going to be shooting 450 FPS, not including the increase from Tightbore, ect
So I'll assume 475. Should i be using .36, or .30? both washed of course.

Be mindfull of your field rules on fps. Normally, your rifle should shoot 450fps using .020g.

But granted that you are allowed more fps, at 475fps I'd recommend using either 0.30g or 0.36g BBs. Depend on your hopup and total rifle.

I'd also recommand you attend a sniper clinic, if one is held in your erea. At those fps, if you are innexperienced, you can be dangerous.

Yeah, our fields limit for bolt action is 500 FPS.

The internals will be almost everything PDI. And i would love to attend one, but i dont think there are any around here.

The field limits for the bcac are 450fps max unless you have attended a sniper clinic. There will be one in the new year.

Ah, op-for is 500. So i'll bring it down so it reaches 450, that way i can play in both.

Definitely going o attend the sniper clinic though :)

It still works, it sits in my case untouched. Lol, remember, I only gamed it once for Sniper Hunt II, every other game I use my M24.

AND for Steven, get a Laylax spring, avoid the PDI ones; Feel free to play around with different BB weights and velocities. There's a reason I settled on 400fps w/0.20g and left it that way all this year, even though past years I was running my M24 at 500fps. And you know I use 0.36g BBs to great effect in my rifle at that low fps; If low mounts work with your goggles, scope and cheekweld, go for them. Higher mounts will be required to either allow you a better more comfortable cheekweld, but also to give your objective lense clearance from your barrel. I use high mounts just because I need the clearance but also because of cheekweld. They aren't that much higher than medium, maybe 1/8" to 3/16" higher.

Ah, sounds good. Also, not using PDI springs is because of their history of being "unnacurate", meaning there not always what their rated? So Laylax/First Factory are much better?

The ratings are screwed, and are also VERY stiff! Like a 500fps spring will take a lot of strength to cock, almost like cocking a crossbow. The Laylax 150 spring, outputting around 500fps, will be relatively light to pull back.

Ah, sounds good. Lightweight bolt pull is definitely a plus. Also, do they make 13mm Springs?

7mm spring guide required up to the 130 spring, the 140 and over require a 9mm spring guide. Not sure where you need a 13mm spring, unless you mean 13mm OD for AEG springs (they are generally 11mm ID).

http://www.x-fire.org/aps2/e.aps2_spg_9mm.html

It says it needs a 13mm Outer diameter, 11mm inner diameter spring. Sounds specifically PDI springs too.

That's just a 9mm spring guide, the 140, 150, 170, etc. springs will fit on it. The higher rated PDI springs will fit on it as well, but you don't want those, especially the 300% spring, it was a brusier! Literally, to cock it I'd have to put the muzzle on my foot, stock into shoulder to be able to cock it. Not fun, or gamable.

WADDA DOO YOO NOWW???...... :p

haha, alright. so im thinking 420-430 FPS rated spring, that way with the Tighbore, it will be around 450. That would be a 240?

LOL! Prick! Where have you been hiding?

Nah, pick and choose, see what you can get. Buy a bearing spring guide that comes with both 7mm and 9mm shafts, that gives you the freedom to use any spring meant for your gun. Springs (good ones, like the Laylax) comes in meters per second ratings (like good AEG springs), so you'll use basic math of [ahem]Rule of Thumb[/ahem] of 3x the rating to get it into fps (a yard is 36" but a meter is 39"). So the only spring you can buy to give you a velocity of under 450fps is a 140 spring (140x3 is 420), which is hard to find in stgock but should still use the 9mm shaft. Add in a tightbore (+ ~10-15fps) and a bearing spring guide (+ ~10-15fps) and you'll be close to 450fps. Or get a 130 spring (390fps), use the 7mm shaft, might get you around 420.

Now here's the kicker, different hop up rubbers, nozzles, piston heads, etc. will either increase or decrease what your expected output might be. I was trying to get my rifle below 450fps (new local field rules, too many complaints directed at AEG users shooting hot, I got burned as a result too even though never a complaint), so because I didn't want to cut down my 150 spring, I started hacking chunks off my 170 spring (net me 585fps last year the one game I used it) and got it to ~430fps with the RH65 hop up rubber in it. Earlier this year I installed a Guarder Clear rubber, found my fps had dropped to just a hair under 400fps, but because I had an urban type game coming up, 350fps for AEGs and 400fps for sniper rifles, I decided to leave it at 397fps................ and was so impressed with the accuracy and consistancy of it I used my M24 like that ALL this year. Food for thought, eh?

Ok, novel over.

I personally use a PDI 330 (rated for 550 fps) Now with the short stroke in there Im sitting around 475ish.

As for the pull on it I dont have any thing to compare it to but I personally dont feel that it is that heavy. Others Ive let test it out say it is but maybe its just me.

First time I heard of a PDI 330% spring. I think they had a 310% at one point, but 550fps seems kinda low for even a 300% spring.

Grabbed it from Amos a little while ago and was told it was a PDI 330 rated at 550 fps.

Considering the 200 springs were rated at 400-420 IIRC I think it seems fairly accurate.

My PDI 300% put out close to 600fps w/.20g, so I guess this is a good example of the inconsistancies among PDI springs. I've had in my hands various 150% springs over the years, all have ranged from 6 3/8" long to 7" long, and of different thicknesses of wire. Of the 150%, the first I had put out 350fps pretty consistantly (as it should), but latter ones were anywhere between 350fps and 425fps, and different lengths. Add in they were a lot stiffer than the PDI 170% springs, and longer.................... hence the reason I push everyone away from PDI springs, is so hard to get a good one that performs as it should.

Hmm that wasnt the advice I was given from others. Any how, I recall reading a while back that you cannot use Laylax springs with full PDI internals. Is this true or bogus info? If they cannot deal with Laylax is there any way to test the spring to figure out what the strength of it really is?

The vsr I bought was fully PDI hence the PDI spring. The PDI 200 that the guy said was in there crono'd at about 375. Mind you this is with a short stroke in there but still.

Maybe i will keep it at around 400 FPS. This creates a much more stable BB flight am i correct?

Took a sleight "vacation" from the airsoft scene, but now I'm back.

PDI springs are VERY good springs. They are hand-made in Japan.. Unfortunately, because they are hand made they are not very consistent spring to spring.

If you're using a PDI cylinder set you must use a 13mm spring otherwise the floating valve in your VC piston will get chewed up like crazy by the smaller diameter spring.

When my O-rings are new my VSR is able to do a 5 shot spread of +/- 0.5 FPS.. unfortunately my O-rings don't stay that new for very long :( ... I think I'm using a 130 or 140 spring with a 430mm 6.03 tight bore, and I'm getting roughly 450-460 FPS (Need my new O-rings damnit!)

Edit: With the PDI short stroke you'll lose roughly 30-50 FPS depending on your set-up.

So i should try for the PDI spring? I know i need a 13mm outer spring, so im not sure which one to get.

Do what I do, Buy 3 springs around the same range and use the ones that's closest to your target FPS lol