Full Metal Guns in Canada
 

I don't know if somethign regarding this has been posted yet or not, but I just discovered it. A while back I posted asking about getting a full metal gun in Canada and was basically told that it was (for the most part) illegal. Bear with me if this is old hat to you guys, just thought I'd psot it anyways.

EDIT: A good alternative to getting age verified.

I was bored and was looking through airsoft websites, though, and was surprised to see the words "Canadian Legal" on the same page as the words "Full Metal Gas Guns." 007airsoft.com has started selling KJW airsoft guns that have clear grips. Some guns have clear handles on the frames also, but the 1911 has only clear grips which can probably be replaced with relative ease. Apparently, only the gribs need to be clear in order to conform to Canadian laws, and they don't need to be perfectly clear either - very dark semi-clear gribs seem to be fine.

So...under KJW on this page...'Canadian Legal.'

I'll be buying a 1911 soon and hopefully replace the clear grips with some pachmayr american legend grips (if it's at all possible).

The only downfall is that the guns are uber expensive. Here's the page with all of the guns available in Canada...1911 (Hi Capa), m9 and m92, a ruger, and some glocks.

And, just to be awesome, here's a sweet picture with little relevance (except for the fact that the gun has clear grips).

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/p...ages/20078.jpg

full metal guns are only illegal to import not to own if they are already "in country" get age-verified and you will find a classifieds section full of metal and all black guns!

Read all the FAQs man, Twice...

IT will shed alot of light on the situation here.

Basically, airsoft is legal to own, but not to import unless you have the proper liceneces. bassically the only way you can access the stores is to get age verrified here, and shop the classifieds here. Heads up though, be prepared to pay 2-3 times what you see on american sites :\

Good luck, and welcome :)

EDIT:

also, the 1911 and the high-capa arn't the same gun. High-capas are actually 2011's... its complicated.

Not complicated at all.

Any 1911 variant with THREE major components (action [slide/barrel/etc], frame, grip) is a 2011. Any 1911 variant with 2 major components (action, frame) is a 1911.

2011s use double stacked magazines, 1911s use single stack.

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Hmm, i thought there was more to it then that.

Right, well...whatever. I think it's useful for anybody who doesn't want to go through the hassle of getting age-verified here. It's not worth finding a representative and meeting them. This is a better alternative IMO. I'd rather pay 2x than 2-3x plus US conversion rates.

And I'm googling the 2011 now...*needs to learn more*

Well, there is, kinda. But it's not really noteworthy. Those are the main differences.

?? To be honest, the first thing that most of us think when a noob is "too lazy" or "its not worth it" to get AV'ed is that they are 14.

Basically, if your really that impatient, you might want to reconsider taking up this sport.

Airsoft isn't a sport to me...paintball is. I'm considering buying an airsoft gun just to play around with. It's worth it if your'e into airsoft as a sport, but I'm not too big on it. Nobody to do it with here; everybody paintballs instead. I'll stick with my X7 for a serious sport...and no, I'm not 14.

Well, its completly up to you, and if your happy with a half clear KJW, then by all means, buy it, but a TM high-capa (full black) usually goes for about 300 bucks on the classifieds, Thats probably about what you will have to pay for your half-clear lower quality gun by the time you add shipping and tax

2011 is a made-up name for a gun (or line of guns) made by STI; essentially a squared-off. chunky, futuristic looking double-stack 1911. As far as I've seen, no other "real-steel" manufacturer refers to their double-stack 1911 products as 2011s. Try Googling "2011 guns" and the first page will only reference STI or airsoft guns.

Sorry, it just bugs me, all the talk of "Hicapas" and "2011"s. These are model names for a few specific items that seem to have become catch-all terms, like Kleenex instead of facial tissue, or ***** instead of photocopier.

Mini-rant over.

I'm fine with KJW to be honest...the grips are the only clear bit on the Hi Capa, and I'd most likely replace them. I'd gladly take a TM first, but not if it involves me driving an hour to meet somebody to verify my age (considering I'm not using it for serious sporting). And what's all this 2011 BS...let's just go with "1911 style gun." It's generic, like "ketchup-like spread" and "frozen treat."

Well, do what you want, its your money, but TM guns will last longer, perform better, and require less maintinance then KJ works guns

If you are too lazy to meet up with someone, how will you find time to get out to games? If you only want the gun to "play around with" then we are not interested in helping you unless you specify what you consider playing around.

If you want it to play in your backyard or somewhere that you might be spotted weilding a realistic replica firearm, then the answer is NO do not do it, we care about this sport, even if you do not and we do not want people exposing it to negative publicity.

*the following is personal opinion and i look forward to feed back from people educated on this topic and Kos forgive any terminology fuckups im very tired;)*

they are different enough to warrant it

a Model 1911 is a single stack single action semiautomatic pistol

these "2011" models if one chooses to call them that are double stack single action semiautomatic pistols and dissasemble in three pieces as opposed to two on a 1911

now if one were for example a 1911 purist than to them a 1911 sticks to the formula of being a single stack single action and to some being chambered in .45 ACP

so as far as im concerned they essentially can be classified as their own firearm

there is a very good video on this subject on youtube by a user named limalife i will may post it later

They look roughly the same, but they feel very differant

but do remember looking the same or similar does not necessarily mean they are the same firearm VZ's and AK's look quite similar but are muchos different

Well, what would you prefer to call it? I'd rather call it a "2011" than a "hi-capa" -which is a fugly name to begin with.

Also, there's only one Mfg. that makes "2011s", and it's STI/SVI. The others (BUL, ParaOrd, Norinco, Wilson Combat, Kimber, etc) just use chunky ParaOrd style single piece frames.. So they can't necessarily be called 2011s.

Well, i was kinda refering to airsoft, but a stock TM High capa, and a stock TM 1911 will look basically the same, they feel quite differant however

I live in the middle of a 200 acre apple orchard. So yes...many people will see me. And, aren't you friendly and welcoming. I forgot why I stopped posting here, but now I remember. Figured I'd just post something useful for those of us who don't want to get age verified, but I guess not wanting to makes me a lazy slob, doesn't it?

Yes, but 1911s and 2011s are .... the same gun. They just use different mags/frames/etc. It's like comparing an AK74 to an AK47. Same gun, but it's only got something like 80% parts compatibility with the other.

You mentioned single action for the 1911? Well, the 2011 is also single action. The only DA 1911 is the Para LDA series (to my knowledge). And they patented the design, so it's pretty much exclusive.

:)

EDIT: VZ58's are the shit. :D

the grip on the 1911 is wayyy slimmer than on a HIcapa due to the single stack mags, I agree with Kos tho, 2011 sounds better than Hi-capa and there's no such gun in RS called a Hi-capa

right right i sorta switched into firearms mode there lol

but yes i get what your saying

where do you live holycannoli??

"2011" is the name STI uses for their double-stack 1911s...

http://www.kywon.com/Guns/STI/STI-2Rs.jpg
Like that one.

Not all double-stack 1911s have 2 piece frames...

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/para_p14-45.jpg
Like Para-Ordnance, who made the first ones.

"Hi Capa" is a Tokyo Marui name, or just airsoft slang for a double-stack.

Single-action (or double-action, with Para-Ordnance's Light Double Action) with a grip safety and thumb safety? It's a 1911.

Yeah, Kos, I suppose 2011 will have to do; like I said, "Kleenex" instead of facial-tissue. "2011" instaed of double-stack 1911.

dangerously close to you Arman ;) (I think 200 acres is a bit of an overstatement, though; maybe it's 50-100 - the orchards are broken into pieces scattered all around here).

like i said brotha lack of sleep and running on caffeine throws me off my game a bit lol

This community uses the AV rule for a reason, so posting that this is "an alternative to age verification" is contradictory to that position and you "discovery" is nothing new, a simple research on your part would have revealed that to you.

Your comments about airsoft not being a serious sport also bothers me, why should I be welcoming to someone who thinks what I enjoy doing in my spare time and the reason for this very website is not serious enough for you? sorry but not everyone likes wearing puke green motocross jerseys and running around with a kidney on their gun walking their fingers on their triggers...

this is turning into a nice discussion about 1911's and 2011's so this thread has been useful afterall, thank you for posting, maybe you should post more often ;)

The thing is, Airsoft is kinda in a grey area legally here. Therefore, unless you prove that you are over 18 (get AV'ed) we have to assume that your not. Its not that were dicks, its just that if we tell everyone whos "18, but just too lazy to get AV'ed" where to get guns, and it turns out that they are actually all 14, then they all wave the guns around on the street, and get shot by the cops who think that they are real guns, we pay for it. If something like that were to happen, airsoft would most-likely be banned in Canada.

Its not that we are flaming you for fun, or being dicks becuase were bored. Its that idiot kids have, and will continue to do retarted things, and theres a chance that we ALL will have to pay for it.

2011 still works when describing that style. Seeing as STI/SVI have the patent to it...... See, if there were a crapload of Mfgs producing that style of pistol, then, sure, It'd be like your "Kleenex vs Tissue paper" rant. However.... It's not like that.

Its Tokyo Marui's name for a double stack with a 2-part frame

Yet, oddly enough, it didn't.

Also...you mean speedball. Quite different from woodsball, which is what I play. Most people I play with hold the opinion that people who play airsoft are woodsballers who don't like getting hit by paintballs.

Now, if you don't mind, you're contradicting theyguy's post by being a dick.

He is? How so? :P

Sure sounds like it. Could just be me, but the post came off harsh. Then, it's hard to tell how things are meant to sound when it's just type. I just things like this are completely unnecessary:

Airsoft isn't a sport I take seriously (by which I mean, not a sport I would spend loads of my spare time in), but I don't think it's necessary to degrade to insults like this.

It's not the hit, it's all the cleaning up afterwards. And I hate to Hell to have neon pink splatter on my cammies, vest, and gun.

Ofcourse we don't like getting hit by paintballs. We're airsofters! We like the little white hard balls ;)

I don't want paint smegma all over my radio or my optics.. :p

EDIT: my sentiment exaclty, tex.

PLus i would hate to have hoppers and external air rigs

my jedi powers tell me that this thread is about to degrade into some ridiculously ghey arguments about who makes the bigger welts when they play...

so heres that vid i talked about from limalife:)
YouTube - 1911 Part 1: How to recognize a 1911 handgun
YouTube - 1911 Part 2: 1911 Sizes
YouTube - 1911 Part 3: Disassembly.. Sort Of

my attitude was only in reaction to your posts, not the other way around, sorry about confusing you with speedball, which is truly gay, but next time you'll make more friends on an airsoft forum by keeping those comments to yourself

as far as research, it's been well established that full black guns are legal to own but illegal to import, the whole "not for civilians" thing is BS ;) so don't worry about that, and really if you are responsible enough to own an airsoft gun, then it's really in your best interest to get AV'd the prices are way better in the classifieds and the guns are nice and BLACK or Metal so it's up to you

as a matter of fact, I JUST this weekend bought a TM Hi-capa, I won't discuss price outside of the AV area but trust me it was a way better deal than anything on that site, and it came with a Metal slide too ;)

I'm a leftie; it was really cool to have a giant blob right smack in the middle of my field of vision. Not that I could actually aim or anything, what with the mask in the way of getting a cheek weld... not to mention the 20oz air tank stuck to the grip of my gun (I used an X7 with G36 front and M4 stock for one whole season of woodsball, until I saw the light of airsoft, and lo, it was good...).

First of all, Hes being honest, we hate to be harsh, but we also expect people to do a little reading before they come here. Also, you seem to have already made up your mind before you posted, why bother? We told you what you didn't want to hear, so you ignored us.

As for airsoft not being a sport? Get over it. I certainly don't think that ballroom dancing should be in the olympics, but i wouldn't go on a dancing fourm, ask about what pair of shoes to buy, then tell them that it wasn't a real sport....

External air rigs aren't so bad. You play with a sling, right? You can just run it along your sling, and have a pouch for it on your MOLLE compatible rig.

I wouldn't mind playing with an Escort HK416.... ooooh baby.

hehehheeh QFT

lmao, trying to come up with a comparison, first thing that poped into my mind.... its easier if you don't ask

I'll keep that in mind. Sorry, I do realize I can be sarcastic.

I've done alot of research, especially here. The laws about owning and importing are well documented, but I couldn't find a single place to buy a full metal gun which abided by those laws. This is the first time I've been able to find one.

And hold on a second...007airsoft is situated in Canada. It's legal to own the guns if they import them, so why do you suppose they won't sell them? Maybe I should send them an e-mail tomorrow...

And yea...hoppers are annoying. I've been thinking of selling my X7 for a rap4 just for that reason, a friend has one, it's a tank. .68 calibre paitnballs, same as a regular gun, but no visible tank and no hopper. Only thing that's stopping me is the horror stories about rap's customer service.

Yea, i guess that wouln't be that bad. would be fun with one of those Maruzen shot-guns moded to take compressed air.

uhhh, Just opened up a whole can of worms.

Its as simple as that the licences needed to import the guns are rare, expensive and technically, even with the licences, you can't sell the guns you import.

There was a retailer a few year ago who was raided by CBSA and convicted to a few years in prison

I'm pretty sure that's his choice, as to how he runs his business. The last retailer I saw openly selling full metal on-line (Mopic) is no longer on-line. Take from it what you will, rumors abound.

EDIT: And even I don't actually know anything beyond rumors and wild-ass guesses.

You actually haven't done enough research. 007 is located in Canada but they are stop selling black gun since last year due the risk of import replica gun selling to public also there is an example of retailer went to court because of that.

You don't need to e-mail them, they won't have it in stock and selling to you,.

Yar, I e-mailed them a month or two ago, so I know they won't sell them. Just want to know the exact reason why (if they'll bother to tell me).

There are retailers who sell full black guns, but only to those AV'd on this site, here is some reading material on 007 airsoft

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/search....archid=2893080

check out the FAQ section for info on importing, the law, etc. etc.

Technically...

Unless you possess the Fire Arms Business License.
No person is legally permitted to transfer a replica firearm (or any gun requiring that license) to a person whom does not posses that license.

Basically, sure I can import airsoft with my license. But I cannot technically/legally by the book sell or give it to you if you do not have that license.
(No I do not have a license)

Ken (007airsoft) chooses to really obey the book in my opinion on this one.

+1

Read basically all of them, and read the stickied ones twice.

o i c. Maybe I'll just give in and invest in a rap4 226 :(

Hate to revive an old thread but isn't rap4 basically a replica? It almost looks the same as any full metal airsoft gun but it just shoot's paintballs?
Just wondering =)

Thanks
Geoff

Yeah the RAP4 and RAM are prohibited for importation (however if you got one in before the CBSA prohibited them for importation then you're all good).

Source:

http://www.canadianscenariopaintball...php?storyid=34

#1 apparently you havent done alot of research ESPECIALLY here as youve asked a question that been asked a disgustingly large amount of times and has even been stickied if im not correct.(Strange little thing called a forum search has been invented to help find answers to your questions. Also airsoft is a sport in case you havent looked around on the net its played in possibly hundreds of countries and there are teams and large scale games that put some international paintball tournaments to shame.).

#2 Exactly full metal/black guns are replica firearms and prohibited from being imported by anyone without the proper licenses. Want a full metal gun? get avd. Plan on just shooting shit and not playing a game? Get a pellet gun cheaper, it also minimizes the risk of you being seen with a replica firearm in public and possibly involving police resulting in negative publicity for our community and sport.

#3. RAP4 paintball guns are still classified as replica firearms as they arm created in molds identical to their real steel counter parts and are usually full metal and wood depending on the gun, thus it being seized and your money not being refunded.

So in all if you dont plan on getting AV'd and you want something to shoot shit with get a pellet gun.

Having a discussion with a friend about this exact topic...it's like some stupid guy finds every new player and tells them complete BS info

I heard if the airsoft gun shot over 440 fps it was aloud across the border because it could cause serious bodily harm making it a uncontrolled firearm? Or was i misinformed?

You were misinformed.

Go try and tell us how it goes, or better yet get av'd and you won't have to worry about trying that.

I vote this thread get cleaned and renamed "1911 vs. 2011 info thread"

This thread needs to die and stay dead.

Bluntly and in short, yes you were misinformed. The long answer is (from what I understand) that it's kind of in a black-grey area and the odds are VERY against you if it gets to that point. Like a one in a million chance to get it once it reaches that point.

See quote below:

As you can see slim to no chance of it reaching that point, you might be able to argue it but they just send it to the RCMP to do testing (who will take forever to test) and will probably destroy it after that point if it's deemed inadmissible.

@ Mack: I was under the impression that some fields sell both the .68 and .43 cal paintballs for use with other brands of paintball pistols (ie. Kingman)? Maybe I'm wrong though since I know very little about paintball. Maybe it's not as common but I have heard that some places do that or they'll allow "BYOP" as long as you buy X number of .68 paintballs or give them an extra $X to use your own .43 balls.

Just stop right now.

Just call border services and ask.

Basically, they will test it, and you will wait months and months. If they do eventually find it to be a replica, it will be destroyed. Are you stupid enough to take that chance? Up to you.

However, I would stop asking here.

Basically, what you just asked:

Latency: 1+1=2.

You: So 1+1=2? Are you sure? Tell me again.

allowed...not aloud. Sorry...pet peeve.

iam sending him the hooked on phonics monkey....... anyone else like south park?

^^

Seriously? Lets just STOP posting here everyone, let it die.