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PCU kit
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http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...normal_PCU.jpg http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...beaver/pcu.jpg so im thinking of building a PCU kit. any tips for some gear i was planning PCU lvl5 PANTAC MBSS front: 4 double M4 pouches, triple 40mm pouch, what else? back: hydration carrier, radio pouch, small madic pouch PACA Body armor (real/ hopefully repo) PANTAC MOLLE belt with suspenders sarfiland 6004 for USP double pistol pouch for double stack .45 double M4 pouch mag dump pouch IBH helmet what the hell should i put here? never had a helmet before also im mostly going to be using pantac for 1 simple reason. im a college student, so keep in mind when giving advice im not made of money so advice is great but i cant afford alot of real gear. |
Thank God I was tired of the redneck pmc look.
http://www.electricmonk.ca/exports/p...8/IMG_8079.jpg That poor bear. |
I sure do like this style... might invest in some myself.
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I just bought myself a PCU!!!
Good luck finding them. Especially an MCU. Talk to me on JOC. |
Second pic is airsofters if you're curious.
Try a belt mounted holster and ditch the IBH too? |
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Well, your kinda mixing two styles into one with the pics, if that is what you are basing it off of.
First pic is with USAF PJ's and the third is SEALs. Like H-G said, the second is a bunch of airsofters. I would not have 4 double mags on a MBSS and then another on on the belt kit. Thats too much mags for a MBSS load-out. Don't put a double on the belt and lose one off of the MBSS, move the MBITR pouch to the front for easier access. Medical pouch should also be on the front. If you are running a M203, then you can ether mount them onto the top front of the MBSS or the belt, your choice. Like H-G said, ditch the IBH... just please don't even bother with one. If you really want something a long the lines of an IBH, you can always get yourself a MICH 2001. For what to put on the helmet, its all up to you. Popular things are NVG mounts, velcros for patches and flags, goggles, strobe's and lights. Really, its up to you to find out what you want. I think the 6004, the double pistol mag pouches and the dump pouch are fine. |
the mag pouch on the belt is there for a vest ditch for what ever reason. i can still be some what affective in game.
what vest would you recommend if not a MBSS? what if i upgrade to 3 triple mag pouches with the medical pouch and 40mm on the front? also those pics i posted re bout the only reference pics i was able to find. |
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Maybe this will help? These are Rangers in Iraq.
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what kind of vests are they using in the above pic?
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In the second pic he's wearing an Eagle RRV with an Eagle Rear Plate Carrier and an Eagle MSAP Cumberbund along with the RLCS RRV adapters. Looks like it's all in Ranger Green too. He's definitely wearing a PACA low Vis Soft Armor carrier underneath as well.
The first pic looks like an Eagle RRV with the MLCS back piece, on the left and a Eagle Ciras Land on the right. |
Where do you buy PCU?
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SEKRI has their own website (sekri.org) and ORC is available from herculeswear.com I see some on eBay sometimes too, and there's probably other places that carry it. |
Blackhawk has MCU.
Dose any one have OD on PCU? |
ORC lost the contract, and I don't think you can get anything like this aside from ebay now.
and the colour is kinda like the smoke green by Paraclete. |
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http://www.hercules-wear.com/product_view.asp?id=16 $97 for a genuine level 5 SF-PCU http://www.hercules-wear.com/product_view.asp?id=247 |
wow, thought they all sold out cept for the smalls and weird sizings.
Time to invest in the level 6, I've already got the 5. |
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I'm surprised Orc still has some Level 5's in stock. $97 for the jacket is a steal compared to what people are paying on eBay. Clearing out the warehouse I guess. I've already got a set but I like to have 2 of everthing ;) |
Just received some MCU from Huang with ORC on the tag, that mean it's a replica or no... ?
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Yup, also had a made in USA on the tag :P
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OK So I saw the Contras team at Flag Raiders on Sunday, most were using this kit, and I must say it looked awesome! PCU tops go very well with ACU Bottoms IMO, looks like ANOTHER kit ill have to start :)
Thanks to the Contra guy that explained what the shirt was to me (Not sure who you are on here). I mistook it for a flight suit jacket. |
Sekri.org's stuff is surprisingly inexpensive...
Keep in mind, guys, that there's a lot under that wind/water resistant shell that you don't see - its a system of multiple layers that are interchangeable depending on the environment. With that system you can pretty much go from the hot desert to a Northern Ontario winter! |
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I Watched the video on the blackhawk website, says its part of the ECWCS line, this means its only for wintertime or can be had for everyday use?
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Damn it, I want a set from Huang!
It's water proof too! |
It's water-resistant, not waterproof.
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Like I said, you need to layer. Those "level 5" jackets and pants are merely wind-breaking, water resistant shells. They offer no real insulation at all. Look into a fleece mid-layer and an under-armour cold gear shirt for actual warmth. Couple that all together and you have the makings of an all-weather setup.
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Level 5 is a step up from just wind breaking. Level 4 windshirts are designed for that. Level 5 PCU/MCU actually does breath but also allows a little more warmth. Combine the level 5 with level 3 thermals and you are actually super toasty!
Here is a quick breakdown: Level-1,Silk Weight boxers, t-shirts, pants and long sleeve shirt Level-2, Mid weight PowerDry,shirt and pants Level-3, ThermalPro pullover Level-4, Windshirt which is windproof. Level-5, Softshell jacket and pants (wind proof and water resistant) Level-6, Hardshell Polyurethane coated jacket and pants Level-7, Insulated jacket pants and vest...but keeps you looking like mr. staypuff This past weekend, i wore a level 5 PCU top with level 2 and 3 under. I was sweating when it was cold! I brought my level 6 rainjacket, but decided I didnt need it since it doesnt breath and we were running around. The water just beaded off of the PCU just fine. |
Yeah wore my pcu on that day too.My inside's was DRY.Well worth the buy.
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The game on Sunday, my setup was a Under Armour wicking shirt as Base with the BDU as the heat layer and PCU for rain and wind protection.
This combo makes the heat level an acceptable tolerance without heat stroking to death. Only problem is after years of use my ORC PCU is so old that it has lost its Water resistant capabilities. ghetto got to buy me a new one http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...nda/Opsec2.jpg |
DragonRed has the best priced knockoffs.
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yea godlysparten whats the kitlist in the pics? |
techobo sent me this list via PM:
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MSA mich 2000 Norotos VIP Strobe ORC PCU Top ACU Shirt and pants Eagle Riggers Belt Duty Belt with LBT m60 pouch, Pantac Smoke Grenade Pouch with m18 inside, pantac dual pistol mag holder, Serpa, Maxpedition Rolly Polly Small Size. CamelBak Tri Color HAWG with Pantac M60 pouch Interior of the HAWG, ORC PCU pants Saber 1 Radio with Devgru headset PACA w/ Custom Side plate Carrier and shotgun shell holder NSW 1961A Emerson Knife 3x Glow sticks p226 Non railed version CQBR W/m203, ACOG, S-LAP, Ear Plugs, Bungee Sling 15x M16 mags 4x Sig P226 mags MBITR Blade Antenna Radio and H-250 Handset Merrel Tuckerman Mechanix Gloves 2 x IR flags 4 X IR Tabs |
damn im still figuring out my kit aside from the PCU
was thinking (no brands yet) 2nd line RRV with either a camal back or RRV back pack 3X triple AR mag pouchs triple 40mm pouch MBTIR radio pouch small medic pouch admin pouch ~now i would like to keep the RRV but im open to ideas what to put on it. 1st line molle belt with sependers (i own a pantac molle belt and love it) SFL 6004 for usp large mag dump pouch double mag pouch for double stack .45 low profile double AR pouch (for prone use) MISC mich 2002 Ranger NVG Mount IR becon PACA low vis armour again any ideas are taken and brands go ahead but im a college student so lets keep the eagle type recommendations to a low ;) |
get rid of the admin pouch, they are useless.
are you doing a SEAL impression Norm? |
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Protective Combat Uniform (PCU) system its clothing not a unit. you cant do an immpression of it. |
Is there a name for the colour of those PCU's? Ranger Green? Foliage Green? Sage Green?
I've been rocking the civilian counterpart to the PCU (with my BDU jacket as the top layer where applicable) but I like the look and increased function of the real thing. |
It's called "Alpha Green".
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How do I tell if my pcu level 5 pants are genuine or repro? I have been told its real but im looking at it and the quality of the stitching doesn't seem like military grade. Any suggestions? |
The 0rc softshells all have wonky stitching as 0rc provides employment to disabled and developmentally challenged people so they don't necessarily use professional seamstresses.
Best way to verify authenticity is the water resistance of the fabric. Refer to militarymoron's PCU Lvl 5 review. |
yeah exactly puggs! Unfortunately it is hard to tell these days what is real and what isn't sometimes. You have to do the old fashioned thing and learn the hard way sometimes...like Morb said:
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The fabric the Orc Lvl 5 is made from is silicone encapsulated EPIC fabric. The water resistance should be good for the life of the fabric so if you find your PCU isn't beading water even after a wash/dry cycle, then it's probably a knockoff.
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Hate to tell you mate but the above photos are either level 6 or 7 definatly not 5. 5 is for wind and light precipitation, 7 is for static operations to -40 F, they are also using Outdoor Research Gaitors during hiking operations.
Those photos are from SEALs doing cold weather training on a 28 day course in Alaska. |
Non-permeable Lvl 6 during high aerobic output activities? That doesn't make sense.
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Looks like 5s to me. Talking to guys at Ft Drum and from my experience backcountry skiing, soft shells are fine in cold and windy so long as you layer with primaloft or fleece etc (or a Lv 3 midlayer). Lv 6 type shells (Arcteryx, PCU or whatever) tend to be overkill nowadays in all but the harshest weather.
It'll be lv 5 for me looking like Stay Puft with lots underneath for me in a couple weeks in Picton. |
5 doesn't make much sense either though in those conditions. It takes about an hour or so of moderate or light snow exposure and 5 gets soaked. They've got to have on some other goodies under that aside from standard ECWCS (hate most of it, love 5+)
Looking at the hoods though, it does look like it could be 5 |
Refer to the PCU usage guide. Level 6 is only used for static conditions. In addition, if you read up on the softshell concept you'll see the logic behind it.
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Here's a full size version of the official PCU usage guide:
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Exercising like that in LvL 6 would be like wearing a full body suit camelback bladder full of lukewarm water. It’s almost ridiculous how warm LvL 5 keeps you in low temperatures.
Has anyone else purchased any of the Propper APCU? I have LvL 1, 2 and a LvL 5 jacket on the way – it’s all on clearance now, so somewhat cheaper. The GEN III ECWCS is really impressive too if you don’t mind a lot of ACU – you usually can find it new in full lvl sets for sale on eBay. I think I would be holding out for some time until a MilSim that calls for LvL 7 tho. |
I have a pair of level 6 pants in the mail soon...
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To tuck or not to tuck? The jacket into the pants that is. Skiing, I would leave a softshell out but my pants have a bib and the 5 jacket seems long enough to beg for it.
Winter application. Orc PCU, Lv 5 with Lv 2. Can't really tell in alot of those pics, what are your guys' thoughts? |
Tucking it in keeps the snow from running up into the jacket when you are prone or taking cover in snow covered areas. There are no waist drawstrings like the M-65 jackets.
And the LCF index. |
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http://i55.tinypic.com/et70cw.jpg i just received my Patagonia Gen2 PCU L5 i also ordered a PCU L5 pants and L4 wind shirt directly form ORC. it should be here by Monday |
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anyone know the difference between say Patagonia PCU and Propper APCU?
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Nice KNIVEZS!
How did you manage to order direct from ORC? They don't have a Canada section in their order form last time I tried... |
just received my POlartec PCU L3
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What exactly is the PCU set/system supposed to do?
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No, it is not. FR components are not part of the PCU system AFAIK.
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PCU is designed to protect you from the natural elements ie: rain, snow, wind, etc.
The whole FR thing is mostly to protect the soldiers in the humvees who hit an IED. Soliders were seeing burn injuries from having clothes light on fire, the need was recognized for fire resistant clothing as your combat effectiveness is pretty much reduced to zero if you're on fire. As well, if you're already fucked up and cant move at least you won't also be on fire... |
Well also with things like flashbangs or flares older BDUs melted and causing burns.
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has anyone used a Dragon Red Airsoft PCU lvl 5 set?...I keep seeing posts from Huang advertising different combat shirts. While browsing the site I came across the PCU set and was curious if the imitation PCU gets the job done? My other option i was considering was a Condor softshell in foliage...which is a better choice if i dont want to spend orc/pantigonia $$$ but still want a quality jacket?
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Nevermind guys I made the call and decided on the Condor Softshell.
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