Cadpat-clothing market today (following to frontenac cadpat)
 

Those who have made frontenacs Cadpat-clothes until now has been bought out and will not continue with the production of these clothes. who will take over their place and how do the cadpat-clothingmarket look today? Is Parklands cadpat still bad?

The market is always changing and what was the best 2 years ago is not always what's best now.

Please wright what you know about cadpat-clothes, news, quality and brands.

The market is indeed uneven. For us, we planned to manufacture a batch of clothing in that 50/50 polycotton ripstop:
http://www.felixtactik.com/images/diskreet/PW-13.JPG
It's not issue Supplex Cadpat, but I think it's pretty close and the quality is quite good.

If the parklands cadpats aren't your cup of tea I have noticed another pattern of cadpat clothing recently in my local surplus shops. I'm not sure who makes it (didn't see any obvious mfg tags) but they did say 'made in Pakistan' on them. Unlike the parklands stuff which is patterned on the US BDUs these ones seem to be patterned on on the gen. 1 cadpat uniforms, although the fabric is noticeably different, it isn't the soft fabric that Canadian combat uniforms are made out of. Other than that, if your looking for a more 'Canadian' look they could be a viable option.

If I'm not mistaken it's the same one on the Army Issue website:
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/dis...lbum=17&pos=17
There's also an arid cadpat version available if your interested.

They usually use 65/35 poly. It's is stiffier than Supplex or NYCO/Polycotton ripstop.

i cant remember what brand it is but i got the CADPAT TW bdu's from Seals Action Gear and a friend on mine who is Ex Forces game me his Issued boonie hat and i swear the CADPAT is the same and looks the same so no complaints

Yep its because they make their cadpat items out of real cadpat material :D

No more Frontenac?

PRAISE THE LORD!!!! Less CRAP out there now!

Are you sure you aren't thinking Parklands? Frontenac CADPAT was as far as I know the best easiest to get CADPAT there is, more durable than the issue MARPAT I have and very light for hot weather. Also almost zero fade. Only thing I know of better than Frontenac is issue which is quite hard to get.

Those both look like horrible versions. This is what it's supposed to look like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...g/180px-Tw.jpg

Getting a constant supply is not that easy. The Supplex fabric available has discoloration or fade like hell. You can only get mixed feeling when seeing comments from thoses how use differents "brands" of Cadpat.

For the next batch of clothing we'll do, we'll use the second best thing we can get. At least the supply and quality will be constant.

But if you're looking for real issued fabric, then tough luck.

Which brand of cadpat-clothes did you recommend actually?

Accept quality and not so expensive price is my requirements.

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I'm not sure why folks are down on the Parklands stuff; the ones I've seen, albeit being made of a fairly heavy material, were infinitely better quality than the Frontenac cheesecloth material.

Frontenac cut was wrong, the stitching was quite ordinary, and the quality of the material was ridiculously bad.

I'm not sure which issue MARPAT you have, but I have two sets of bona fide MCCUU (I know the source) and they compare quite favorably to most things out there, including issue CADPAT.

Parklands cadpat has its uses. its good on cooler days, as the fabrics thick and keeps the wind (and mosquitoes!) out. Which is also the downside, as it gets really hot in the hot summer days. It also faded extremely fast. By the end of its first season, it looks like ACU.

Frontenac so far has been the best alternative to surplussed issue combats. Who cares if the cut is right or wrong. This is airsoft, pocket placement isnt going to dictate victory or defeat. The issue cut isnt that great either when you think about it.

The real deal
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...adpats_004.jpg

Frontenac
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...curity_011.jpg

The stuff that parkland used to make
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...s%20CADPAT.jpg

The stuff they make now
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...tock_31840.jpg


A field of Cadpat ready for harvest.
http://www.armyissue.com/Gallery/alb...cadpat_015.jpg

1. Excellent.
2. Good.
3. Looks like crap. Is that like neon green or something in there?

Frontenac was the best maker of replica cadpat.

Parklands is, and always has been, the worst, by far. I have one of their new "top quality" cadpat boonies sitting in front of me right now. Total garbage. Paper thin material, colors are horrid, and they put the seam in the front! If I hadn't have gotten it at the wholesale rate, I'd be pissed, hell, I'm kinda pissed even at the wholesale rate. I can't imagine paying anywhere near MSRP for it. Hell, even the wholesale rate seemed a bit much.

Parklands cadpat cordura isnt too bad however. Their replica Tac Vest is great. I've done a side by side comparison, and the only differences are the mesh on the replica is od while the real one is cadpat, and the color of the cadpat is slightly off, but not very noticable.

There is a company taking over frontenac's cadpat line, just cant recall their name at the moment. However, sounds like we can expect some fine work from them.

Anyone who know something about the new clothing-collection?

http://www.hyperstealth.com/spec4ce/order/series2.html

Canuck:

http://www.hyperstealth.com/spec4ce/...35-90-95hl.jpg

Woodland:
http://www.hyperstealth.com/spec4ce/...c4ce-LL-sm.jpg

Just to let you know, one of the guys who works on these patterns is the father of digital camouflage. He's responsible for DualTex which led CADPAT, MARPAT and ARPAT being developed. The woodland is a decently close sample of CADPAT. Their Canuck camouflage is their take on what CADPAT should be.

I think I just found my new camo, thanks

I have the Gen2 frontnac, that was put on the market in 2003. I'm using it since then and it never faded or changed color. Compared to the real cadpat, mine is very close in color and patern. The only difference is the type of babric, wich is thinner and non ripstop.

I'd say, compared to many other copy, Frontenac cadpat was better in terme of color retention and color exactitude.

For comparaison, the boonie hat in my signature is Parkland, and it's already faded to shit after less than 2 years.

something you guys probably dont realize is that even the issue cadpat varies a little bit, you have some that are more "brown" than others, and some that are more blurry than others ect.

of all the cadpat that i was issued, i only have 1 tunic, and 1 set of pants that match, sure they may be little differences, but i realize it

i'll get some pics up if im not too lazy

The company Surplus IG sells the follower (?) Cadpat BDU to Frontenac.

The BDU is more cut as the real but not identic as the real.

Anyone who has bought it or tested yet and can rate them?

A member here in ASC bought one and he is not pleased. See thread: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=58975

I'll have pics and a review up soon. If your interested in them after I'll sell them to you even. :D

I look forward to reading your review :)

SurplusIG Cadpat BDU Review w/ Pics:

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread....466#post720466

Same here, I only have one set that matches- I've seen so much variation in issue CADPAT, there was one set a local sergeant has here that's almost blue.

Which dealers are cheapest in Parklands Cadpat in Canada (or the U.S.)?

Private deals

Parklands cadpat is a waste of money unless its for paintball, or their arid cadpat. Their arid cadpat nearly dead on, but it fades horribly after only one wash.

So Parkland's Cadpat has also not become better from then to now?

Anyone who know then the new Frontenac will be avaible on the market?

Probably won't be too long, and there is still companies that have frontenac in stock which is much better than parklands, like cpgear.com, dstactical.com and other's I'm sure.

Icetactical.com also can make their bdu's in cadpat, but expect very long wait times.

Dropzonetactical.com has cadpat bdu's but are notoriously expensive for a average product (not my personal opinion as I've never used dropzonetactical's bdu but that's just what I've heard from several military members who have seen/used them)

If I find felixtactik's BDU's up to snuff we may in the near future do a bulk order of those in genuine cadpat combat cloth as well so that would be another option, I have high hopes for his product it seems to be really well designed.

I think Parklands Cadpat works for me. Anyone who know where I can buy new (not secondhand) Parklands Cadpat Jacket/trousers for each ~ 20 CAD?

Parklands = Made in Pakistan

Only use I ever saw for Parklands cadpat is to cut into strips and use for a winter forest ghillie. Other than that................ wear them for a year and you end up with winter whites! :D

That I mean is that it is more a temporary solution until that the new Frontenac (or similar) will arrive to the market.

Does it exists different generations of Parklands Cadpat-combats?

save the money, skip out on parklands.
not worth it.

look around for surplus dealers who have surplussed issue stuff in. Took me a few months to find my set of issue.

I happen to have 2 sets of surplus issue CADPAT. Pm me!

I know that Parklands cadpat not are the best items :)

But I will see that as a temporary solution. Because that I'm looking for a reseller who sells new jacket + trousers for about $40. It is not so much money?

yeah keep away of the parklands there shat

It would be nice to se some scary examples of how much the parklands fades.

I don't have any pics to dig up of others, but let's just say it ends up looking like a dirty greenish white colour, kinda like ACU.

How about you just listen to all the people here who have said "don't buy it, it's shit".

Or, you can summarily ignore all the good advice given to you and buy Parklands Cadpat.

Conversely, you can take the same money and buy yourself a pair of white jeans and a matching white jean jacket, which is exactly what your Parklands stuff will look like after about 1 wash.

The Sets from CP gear seem good, they're a little pricier than some of the other stuff out there but it's made of real CADPAT fabric... the cut's also slightly different than the Issue stuff...

That would be Frontenac.

Frontenac doesn't make theirs with the real fabric...
CP gear makes theirs at their factory.
Frontenac is based out of Quebec.

No, you're mistaken. The cadpat clothing sold by CPGEAR is FRONTENAC. You can clearly see the "CADPAT" nametape above the right pocket of the shirt, which is an idiocy of Frontenac.

The gear and equipment made by CPGEAR is made in their factory using milspec cadpat materials. The BDU is not made in their factory and is commercial reproduction Frontenac gen III.

you might be right...

ah ok... that's pretty damn close to the issue stuff...
you're right. Only difference is the pockets really

Dropzone Ops BDU's are expensive but goddamn they are so nice. Breath great in the summer and well built. Because they are 100% nylon they dont stay wet for very long and dong get soaked in sweat either not to mention the ammount of pockets is good too. Deffiently worth it in my opinion.

I'm understand your opinions over Parklands cadpat, but because it does not exists a good and cheap brand I'll have to sew me a own of real cadpat-material ^^

But still I think a Parklands Cadpat works for me because I will not use it very oft , but the supposition to buy a parkland anyway is that new Jacket + Trousers don't cost more than $50. Anyone who know a seller that can offer that price?

Look at it this way, would you rely on a pair of gotch you paid $1 dollar for out of the bargain bin at giant tiger/ dollarama/ bargain store/ sann/ red apple/ etc. to last you as long as a 10+ dollar pair?

I know what I'd trust to keep my balls comfortable in... Sure, you can buy 10 pairs, but that one 10 dollar pair will outlast every single one of those 1 dollar pairs by months.

Anyone who has a pattern if I would like to sew a BDU with Cadpat-material and not buy the "bad" parklands?

If you want to make it like Frontenac's (the old ones) just get a set of ODs (about $5 at surplus stores) and use the exact same pattern. You can even canibalize the buttons off it.

How about you just save your money and buy something workable instead of trying to build an entire BDU yourself? Seriously, if $120 for clothing is too much for your budget, you're playing the wrong sport.

Also - please fill in your profile information.

How popular and used are the parklands cadpat and when it is so bad, why does they continue to sell it?

People will buy anything once. It's cheap and readily available so people buy it.

Fill out your profile please.

But which seller here in Canada is the cheapest for parklands?

Oh boy, here it comes. Gonna put on my NOMEX flightsuit now, this isn't looking good.

Just to put an end to this thread, and try and save you some flaming, I'll lower my CADPAT price to $100 a set plus shipping.

Seriously, please stop asking about parklands.

Allow me (POP as I ignite pilot on flame thrower)


DUDE. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WAKE UP TO REALITY. YOU WILL NEVER SEW YOUR OWN BDU, EVEN IF YOU DID BY SOME MIRACLE SCRAPE TOGETHER THE LIFE SIZED INVESTMENT OF $100 AND LAY HANDS ON THE MATERIAL. THE MATERIAL WILL END UP GATHERING DUST IN YOUR CLOSET OR PERHAPS MAKE A NICE BLANKY.

STOP ASKING ABOUT IT, WE ALL KNOW YOU WILL END UP BUYING IT.

ANNOYING YOU HAVE BECOME.

Seriously, the question was asked and has been answered. Out of respect to the OP I'll let this thread live but any further redundant questions will be nuked.

Asking for advice is fine. Disregarding that advice dispite being given many reasons to heed it is insulting.

The gear boards are for serious discussion about gear and equipment. Please refrain from pissing in the pool with idiotic banter and counter-arguments to good advice. Lastly, PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR PROFILE if you want to be taken seriously.

Why do you don't think I'm capable to sew a BDU?

For Airsoft purpose also.

Funny he doesn't want to spend the $100 on a decent cadpat BDU, yet he's willing to spend the $100 on buying the cadpat material to make his own.

Go for it. Can't wait to see it, and good luck with that.

I'm going to assume you're 12 years old now, given that you refuse to put your age or location in your profile. So, I'll take anything you say in the same light as I would from a 12 year old. M'kay?

How real did you expect?

Some retailers sell cadpat-material. For example SurplusIG sells Cadpat-material by meters and then I can sew it up so it looks like the real model;)

Sure you can, all you need is an industrial sewing machine. So if you've dropped several hundred dollars there I guess that's why you have no money left.

What is so important about CADPAT that you MUST make the exact like the real one? What purpose does the available Parklands not offer you that you need something that looks just like the issue versions? Some MP's might not like the sounds of what you're up to.


Stalker, you still have that spare NOMEX suit, or you couldn't get the sweat stains out when you lent it to Apoc :P.

Only thing I can think of why he's so persistant about buying Parklands is because he wants the US BDU style in cadpat, as he doesn't like the Canadian BDU cut.

Yes, I have two flightsuits, but neither of them are in 'fat size'.

Ok thank you for the information Dracheous.

This thread has become a bit unserious and offtopic, maybe some admin can clean it up and save only the information that can help other in theirs looking after Cadpat-clothes.

As my friend (the thread-starter) mean with this thread was that the market for cadpat-clothes is always changing and Parklands and Frontenac are not still nearly alone with the clothes. Many in this forum know the market and what that can offer. :)

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=61540

I just made a new review about the new administration cadpat that i am selling for 59.99$ per item, thus far complimented for having the best price.

I also have original IR tested cadpat material for sale and the Cordura version seen in my sales thread (in bottom of signature).

If you are looking for any CADPAT kit, I have a bunch of issued stuff for sale. Just send me a PM.

Theres a couple of low priced cad pat-cloths on this site.
http://www.cpgear.com/default.asp?mn...56&f=bp&pcat=7
To tell the truth, I cant remember where I ordered mine.
Good luck :)

CPGear.com has the new frontenacs I ordered some a few weeks ago. They are pretty nice I'll get around to doing a decent review of them eventually. Top quality service from CPGear as well, cannot go wrong.

118.50 for a set from CPGear, with FREE shipping, and one (1) nametape, so they actually have the best price so far...

Actually CPGear.com sell it for 60$ but if you buy both top and bottom you get a 1.50$ discount if you consider that big savings, i can beat that price any day all it takes is conversation. I usually under charge on shipping by 2$ - 3$ which is already greater savings. THey are also located in fredericton which is very far from anybody out west and shipping is more expensive than from here and it also takes an extra day of patience to receive your order.

Sorry to burst your bubble dude.... but... a whole 3.50 savings isn't worth having to pay with paypal or a giving out credit card information.

+ To be honest, Dealing with you isn't the easiest thing to do sometime. I don't mean to start a confrontation or anything; I just get the feeling you don't know some of the products you're trying to sell well enough...

My personal opinion; and that's all it is, Some people are really happy with your service... so that's good.

CPGear gives free shipping actually. They also include a name tape with that.

Free shipping with an order over $100 ;)

Win win for me! Gots me a laptop case, nuke bag and some random other stuff...

If anybody is interested in issued cadpat fabric please visit one of my sales threads on ASC either the age verified or regular: Airsoft Canada

I have many other fabricsl including 3 color desert, woodland, arid cadpat, acu, amongst others.

Thank you,

Is the CADPAT Goretex material the ripstop type?

Nope, it's thicker... ripstop has the little squares to prevent the rip to spread, this one is a thicker type of goretex with a white waterproof lining on the back. If you are interested in placing an order, I will take some finer pics for you, if not, next week I will post a review thread on some of the materials.

Thank you,

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Parkland cadpat fade a lot, the colors are not exact and the material is too stiff.

My daughter bought a set of Parklands a few years ago. Looked good, until the first wash. Faded so much it looks several years old. Surplused issue stuff usually looks better.

wait, so it fades terribly as in colours blur together? or fades as it looks used/worn down because really that would help since camouflage is meant to blend in and dull colours help

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