Tactical Force TF 11 (M11)
 

This is just a brief overview of the TF 11. The TF brand name is made in Japan by Umarex, who are better known for making hgh quality pellet and BB guns, rather than airsoft. They're a newcomer to airsoft, so they probably still have a way to go before their guns are on par with other Japanese manufacturers.

Taking it out of the box, it looked pretty good. It's quite compact, but has a nice weight with the magazine installed. It felt quite solid while handling it too. The grip is a bit small for someone with larger hands such as myself, but not so small as to make it awkward to handle.

The exterior is all ABS, except for a few external parts like the front sight, cocking handle, safety, trigger, and fire selector. The internals are mostly metal. Looks like pot metal. The magazine has an ABS exterior, but metal interior, which makes it feel quite heavy. When inserted into the gun, the combined weight give this little toy a nice weighty feel.

Upon closer inspection, most of the finish on this gun is quite nice. The only real sore points I have cosmetically are the whole "safety info" printed on the side like with all Umarex air guns and the seam along the top of the gun where the 2 halves of the upper receiver meet. The seam line for the lower receiver is much cleaner and far less noticeable.

The magazine holds 50 plus a standard 12g CO2 cartridge. The magazine seems quite solid, although the pins holding it together seem to protrude from both sides of the mag just a bit, and that causes a lot of scratching to the inside of the magazine well. The exterior of the mag is ABS, but the internals are metal, making it quite heavy.

On semi and short auto bursts, you'll get about 125 shots out of a single CO2 cartridge. It tends to tear through gas a lot faster when used in full auto. If used exclusively in full auto, you'll JUST get 2 mags out of it before the pressure gets too low to shoot it accurately. However, switching back to semi will get you a few more accurate shots before the last of the gas vents.

In terms of performance, this thing is quite impressive in both velocity and rate of fire. Using .2g Metaltech BBs, the gun chronied between 350 and 360 fps. Rate of fire is a most impressive 22 BB/s, meaning you can empty the mag with a 2.2 second burst. The blowback action is quite nice. It doesn't have a lot of kick, but it will bounce around enough to affect aim, which adds a touch of realism. It feels great to shoot.

In terms of accuracy, I only tested it at about a 20 foot range. It shot fairly accurately. With .2g, accuracy was great. I put most of the shots in semi near the bullseye, but with about a 2 inch spread. I tried .25 Bastards, but they tended to drift about 2-3 inches to the right of the bullseye. The manual recommends .12 and .2g, so this is more than likely why. There's no adjustment that I could find and the manual says nothing about it. I would suspect there's either no hopup, or it's fixed.

On the down side, there are a few things I wish were different. First, there's no folding stock, even though the slots in the body are there, and the spring-loaded button on the underside of the lower receiver to release the stock are there. I don't see what the point was of not including the stock when all the other components are in place to accept it. Also, the front sling loop freely rotates around the barrel and is noisy. I really don't see the point of even including it on a gun this compact in the first place. And lastly, it will dry fire once the mag is empty. I would have liked to have seen some type of bolt-lock mechanism to stop firing when the mag is empty

So overall, I would say this is a nice little gun. It's got an impressive rate of fire, good power, and reasonable accuracy for short to medium ranges. This would make a fearsome primary or secondary for CQB where 350+ fps velocities are permitted. For outdoors games, it would make a suitable secondary in terms of performance, but the magazine is quite long and would get snagged a lot in a holster, so probably not a good choice for a field gun. It's probably not a very good choice for people with large hands, as it will be uncomfortable to hold.

PROS:

• high rate of fire
• excellent velocity
• nice blowback action
• compact
• very solid feel for ABS
• good short-range accuracy for CQB

CONS:

• bad seam line between halves of upper receiver
• useless front sling mount
• no folding stock even thought he gun is built to take one
• either no hopup or no hopup adjustment
• Not good for someone with large hands

So here are a few random shots of it. Note that the receiver markings were filled in with white crayon. I also added some simulated wear to the edges of the gun using some model paint.

http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/3.jpg
http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/1.jpg

http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/2.jpg

http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/4.jpg
http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/5.jpg
http://www.societyssorrow.com/_crunch/M11/6.jpg

And here's a short YouTube video of me firing it. It was my second mag on the same CO2 cartridge, so you can hear the effect of running low on gas.

YouTube - Tactical Force TF 11

Very nice Crunch, detailed and very well written. Excellent demonstration video. If you dont mind me asking, what was the initial cost, and are additional magazines available through retailer or TF/Umarex.

Its just under the FPS limits for CQB but on full auto a person would rattle through mags very quickly indeed.

I traded it for a bunch of TM M4 parts. It goes for $200 here in the classified, although you can import the clear version of this directly from the Umarex USA site for I believe $99 US plus shipping. Nothing a coat of spray paint wouldn't fix.

Until just recently, extra mags weren't available for this, which is why I didn't get one when they first became available in the classifieds. 1 mag for a beast like this just isn't enough. However, extra mags are now available from the Umarex web site for about $40 US.

Glad to see you enjoy the gun, the M4 parts definitely came in handy :D

For anyone else interested, other American retailers just started stocking the mags.

Just in case anyone is looking to make a silencer, you can get a nut at home depot that fits the threads perfectly... no forcing anything to fit. then just find yourself the instructions to make a silencer from redwolfairsoft and you're good to go

will that gun fit in a standard pistol holster?

I've read certain Mk.23 holsters fit it nicely.

Normally yes.

I bought a clear one. I sanded the text on the side and cleaned up the seams a bit, painted it with krylon. I also hacked off that knob on the bottom of the magazine.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53...ualauto002.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53...ualauto001.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53...ualauto003.jpg

How does it stack up to the KWA?

Honestly? I prefer it. I can't speak for the KWA, but I've had two KSC M11's and both failed me greatly. Mags were horrible, kept breaking down or leaking. The gun itself broke down multiple times, plus the nasty smell of propane? And I found that with my KSC it had SERIOUS cool down effects and the shots would drop off quickly as it ran out of gas.

The TF 11 is CO2 which is nice compared to the propane. On Semi, I've got more kills than I have with any other aeg I've owned. It shoots far and accurate. Mine chronied in at 310fps. And only the last 2 or 3 shots drop off when you're running out so it's great till RIGHT when you run out.

Now in full-auto? Awful, but I found the same of my KSC. The first shot or two are great, the next 2 or 3 drop off substantially. (Cool down effect). But on Semi, definitely a GREAT gun for the money.

I find mine to be horribly inaccurate. However, that's what I like about it. It's awesome to send a cloud of bbs downrange. :D

Are these currently available at any Canadian retailer and for how much?

so shit it is ,costs so many catridges!!especially when auto-shoot,its gona be exhausted even in a minite!!

yes in clear version only.
79$ CAD + shipping => airgunsource.com (out of stock)

Actually, in full auto, you can exhaust a CO2 cartridge in under 5 seconds. You can get 2 full mags out of a single powerlet.

Are these compatible with the standard green gas/propane mags? Those CO2 obominations are ugly as sin.

i m sure thts not compatiable with KSC M11 mag!!!!

It's not compatible with KSC or HFC mags. The only mags I know are compatible are Crosman Uzi CO2 mags.

Apparently it's Maruzen design... theoretically, couldn't Maruzen mags work?

Exactly, some reviews stated the TF 11 to be a clone of the Maruzen Micro Uzi/ M11 internals, so I'd think the compatible magazine would be this one here:
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...il?prodID=9342
The problem is trying to find one in stock :rolleyes:

I don't think that magazine looks any better than the one that comes with the TF. It just needs a little work is all. First you gotta saw off the knob on the bottom. Then make a groove in the plug for the co2 powerlet (i used a hacksaw, a dremel would work too), give the whole thing a sanding and a coat of flat black and you're good to go.

http://alphacoairsoft.com/themes/S-G...TF11%20CO2.jpg

vs.

http://www.airsoftplayground.com/gun...1-Magazine.jpg

There is quite a difference, really, aside from the knob on the bottom.

I'd also like the option of using the shorter mags so that the TF11 can fit into a standard holster a little easier.

Hey Coma, are you talking about short mags for the TF mac 11. Where did you grab these?
I thought the Maruzen UZI was a green gas gun and the TF is co2, are the mags really interchangable?

PS
I was age verified at Army Issue Surplus on Sunday and am just waiting for ASC,

I'm asking that myself, it would be nice if someone with the appropriate gear would be able to check and make sure. CO2 or propane/GG will both work as a propellant.

Well, the HFC M11 is apparently based on the Maruzen design as well, and the mags don't even fit in this gun at all. I ordered one a while back to try it out, and it didn't work. If someone else can confirm that actual maruzen mags work, it would be great. Otherwise though, I think we're stuck with TF mags and CO2.

N ever thoght that Co2 and green gas would be interchangable, I did think I saw short mags for the mc11 with co2 but I can't find the site again. Saw stock mags for about 45 USD, might as well just buy 2 guns from here at $110 or so.+ spray paint cost:0

HFC's based on the KSC design, sorry to say.

How about a KSC silencer, anyone know if that will fit on one of these?

arrrrg, had a nice long review and ASC logged me out, how can I stop that.
will resubmit review when I de stress, 2 finger typing takes a while

Click the little remember me box when logging in.

A good habit to get into is to select all of the text and click copy before submitting in case somehting such as this happens, Especially if its a long post or PM. you could also type it up on notepad.

since the pressure regulator is in the magazine i think it should work with maruzen mags. with mine i can empty nearly 3 full mags on semi auto. if you want to try something funny fill your mag with 0.12g bb's (yes i know this is not good for the barrel but the accuracy actually sucks so... and there is no hop up) you will end up with a huge spray pattern on full auto (like a big blast of 12 gauge):D

I do that all the time. ASC, back a couple of months ago when it was screwing all the time, cost me a LOT of time in lost posts, so whenever I type more than a couple of lines now, I always do this.

UPDATE:

I used my TF 11 today as my sidearm at Op Broadsword in Picton, Ontario at the mental hospital that will be hosting Border Wars III. It was my first time gaming the gun. Since it was cold, propane-powered GBBs didn't fare too well until later in the day when temperatures warmed up significantly. So a CO2 powered side arm was the ideal choice.

This gun is a BEAST for CQB. I drew it twice during the day and it got me 4 of my 22 kills. At ranges of 30-ish feet, the gun is pretty impressive considering its modest cost. It throws a lot of BBs down range in a hurry, and shoots pretty accurately. The fixed hopup is set for .2g and I only had .25s with me, so my BBs were dropping a bit faster than they should have been - at about 40 feet or so. But despite that, all the engagements with the gun were at 15-20 feet, so it wasn't an issue at all.

So again, I highly recommend this gun for CQB. Loaded with .2s and providing you have enough spare mags, it can easily be used as a primary.

Just had a bit of a thought, Anyone try doing any work on these? I bet it'd be funny to extend a barrel inside a silencer.

so appreciate if i can get a folding stock on it!!

I was just informed by lemegacool that Maruzen M11 mags (propane / green gas) work in this gun. He got one and it works, apparently producing a higher velocity than CO2. He said his gun chronies at 320 with CO2, and 350 with propane. My gun chronies at 350 with CO2, so not sure what that discrepancy is. But regardless, they work.


The mags are a bit more expensive through eHobby Asia, but in the long term, you'll be saving a small fortune on gas over the higher cost of CO2 powerlets.

And as an added bonus, the Maruzen mags look better and don't have that big knob on the bottom for screwing in the CO2 powerlet.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/maruzen-m...-m11-50rd.html

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/media/cat...file_42_17.jpg

I'd be curious what the performance would be on duster if you're getting 350 with co2.

Performance would be a lot lower on duster. With my 2 WA guns, I get about 220 fps on 134A duster gas, and 300-310 with propane. And the blowback is quite weak in both guns.

I'm guessing duster would give you at least a 75 fps drop, and probably slow down the rof significantly.

so on duster:

fps: 248... lol

rof: about 10

gas consumtion is great !

lol Thank you once again for the info bro. Glad you had some duster gas to test it on.

yeah i stock duster for my tm deagle to make it more "cqb friendly"

I epoxied a rail infront of the trigger that lets me put a foregrip on it that helps stablize the kick, I find mine shoots more accurately with .25's out to 30' feet, big drop off after that. I use it as a side arm though so its perfect back up piece.

Yeah, .25 will give you better accuracy, but at the expense of range. .25 need a more agressive hopup setting to get the backspin they need. Unfortunately, the hopup on the TF11 is fixed and set for .2g. But as you said, as a side arm and for CQB, that's all the range that you really need.

By no means are these things long range weapons or accurate. And neither are the real ones either - although I'm sure that range-wise, a 9mm bullet will travel far regardless of the gun it's shot out of. They're made for close quarters and to throw an assload of bullets downrange in a short period of time. And for that, these work exactly like that.

ATV - accurracy through volume :)

Pretty much. A friend of mine refers to the M10/11 as BLAP - Bullet Launcher, Anti-Personnel.

You forgot a couple things for it to be your primary ;)

I realize this is an old thread, but hopefully someone will be able to help me out. Just the same, I'm going to post this question in the two other TF11 Reviews I've found.

Could someone provide a list of all of the Compatible Magazines for the TF11? I'm really interested in getting one, but I won't if it will cost me 40-50 bucks a mag. At the moment, the only other mags I know that work are the Maruzen Propane mags. Are there any others? KSC, KWA, HFC, WELL, WE, etc.? As well, were would be the best places to get them? (I know EhobbyAsia, RSOV, KHM would probably be some of the cheapest places).

Thanks for any help I get in this, and I'm sure there's at least one other person out there scratching their head, pouring over Googled Threads looking for answers to this question ;)

Edit: I suppose it's also worth mentioning that I'm going through all of this trouble not only to save a buck or two, but to try and get a good looking mag, without that retarded little nob on the end.

Oh, and before anybody says it, I should be getting AV'd this weekend -_-

Edit: I read somewhere that the TF11 is TM compatible, is this true?

in response as to why they put the carry strap possible feature is for what I assume to aid a pressured sniper, my friend has this and he has a sniper[edit=rifle][/edit] and he just straps this around him, doesn't use it often but since it does work decently up close and has a nice rate of fire :P he mostly uses to cover himself. I have never myself used it though because he whines its costly.

First I'll address your last point - TM don't make a GBB M11, so what exactly it could be compatible with is a mystery. No, it's not compatible.

And the ONLY mags that will work in this thing as TF and Maruzen. That's it. If you want mags, then you have to pay what they cost.

hey ive been looking intot his gun, thinking about getting one for cqb and i would definatly be spending the extra cash for the propane mags, only i didnt find them on ehobby so i was just wondering if anyone else has found them somewhere else?

ehobby is ,i think, the best place to get them...

I've stumbled upon this link a couple of days ago:

http://www.uncompany.com/pageproduct.asp?subcatid=29

They are sold out right now though.

Just an update:

I have a propane mag now. On my gun, that lowered the velocity to 325 fps, down from the 350 fps I was getting with CO2. And I can only get just over 1 mag worth of shots out of a single fill atm. My can of propane is rather low though so that may have something to do with it. I'll try again when I get more.

Don't ask me if this works but:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GR-KSC-M11-MAG.htm

Compare guns:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GR-KWA-MAC11.htm
http://www.airsplat.com/Images/GR-KWA-MAC11.jpg

NOT going to work!

yeah crunch you get less shot but propane is dirt cheap so...

Greenwolf got the bolt in his TF M11 to blow up. So just a heads up, if the ass end of your bolt appears to have slipped it in fact blasted out the 2mm thick section of the solid pot metal bolt. This was after ALLOT of use, I'd assume 10000+ shots (with bbs and dry fires with gas).

So great gun for the price.

hey grimreefer what colour of krylon did you use?