Quintessential M4A1 Scope?
 

Okay, so I want to get my gun right first time. I don't want to get too many accessories.

Options:
1) Reflex Sight "Scope"
2) Acog 4x32 Scope

I've seen both these types of scopes in pictures of real-life soldiers. The benefit of the Acog is that it has an iron sight on top of the scope, so it's dual purpose. My gut instinct tells me that the Acog is more essential and versatile, but at the same time the reflex scope is more useful for airsoft I think.

So in real battle, you take the best scope for the situation. However - if you were a soldier and did not know the situation and could only bring one scope - which would it be?

thanks for the insight!

Where are you going to play?

one answer

EOtech
http://www.pof-usa.com/images/O.C.C....SYSTEM%205.JPG

The term 'scope' always portrays a magnified optic to me...so I'd say the Trijicon ACOG would fit the bill.

NOW, if you were asking about the quintessential M4A1 optics...then I'd say an Aimpoint M68 is the classic, and the EoTech 552 is the modern alternative.

If you do not want a cluttered M4 and want both functions of reflex and distance shooting, you can always get a dual purpose scope that has reflex and magnification capabilities, such as a Schimdt & Bender Short Dot, or what I own a Trijicon TR21.
These scopes will save you the hassle of of buying a magnification pieces that EOtech and Aimpoint need to be par with dual function scopes ;)

Any Aimpoint COMP sight mounted on your carry handle, old school.

TOP one:

http://www.celtictexas.com/Rod's%20ARs-w.jpg

ACOG's look nice, too: http://consumermaven.files.wordpress...6/12/ar-15.jpg

Psst, this is not a gun question, but an accessory.

Where you play matters, as some sights are better than others for different situations. Take a few minutes to fill your profile.

I find, regardless of the tactical situation, a scope or sight mounted low to the carry handle of an armalite, as opposed to on a flat-top or integrated rail system, greatly enhances the "pointability" of the firearm. While you don't have much cheek weld with a higher mounted sight, I find it allows for greater situational awareness and the ability to use a full face mask for those tight CQB situations and angry opponents who shoot for the nose.

Pssst. Why don't you get an EOTech, with a fold-away scope?

Cheek weld isn't that big a deal in airsoft. No recoil, you don't really have to worry about losing and reacquiring your sight picture with every shot.

Eotech with a foldaway scope? I didn't know that scopes could fold away. How do they fold away, and which ones fold away? Thanks!

See how high this is? It allows for a much more comfortable shooting position. Spend all day firing a pimped out RIS M4 and your neck will hurt. Our C7's don't have that problem.

http://www.chaaban.info/wp-content/u...le-firearm.jpg
^ Actual Canadian C7 Rifle

In regards to recoil and reacquiring a sight picture, Armalites don't have recoil to speak of - follow through doesn't really exist with them. Shooting techniques used with C7's and C8's can almost directly be applied to AEG armalites.

thanks for the suggestion, but I'd like something that soldiers would really use. I don't want my gun to look like an amateur's hobby gun - even though that's precisely what it will be :-))

Then take my suggestions. My first one is what Delta operators use. The second is what almost every rifle-toting Canadian soldier employs when he is out in the field.

If you have 1,300 to blow, get the combo I listed.

Actually, you can dish out 400, and get the clones. Either way, it's a real world set-up.

Aimpoint versus EOtech.

lol

ACOG's and EOTECH's are made for different purposes.

An ACOG provides a measure of magnification which can be quite usefull for IFF. An EOTECH is a refelx sight, meaning you can aquire your target "reflexively".

A popular option is an Acog with a "Doctor Optic" reflex site mounted on top of the Acog.

Essentially, in the real world, it comes down to ranges. If you're expecting short range firefights, for instance under room clearing conditions, you go with a reflex sight. If you're likely to need longer range shots, an Acog may be a better choice.

In the airsoft world, it's all about looks. Your gun wont shoot far enough to make magnification any more valuable than a reflex sight. So do whatever you think looks best.

Why LOL over Eotech versus Aimpoint? Can someone please educate me?

Thanks.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm leaning toward aimpoint for now, and perhaps many months from now, I'll also get an ACOG.

One thing I forgot to mention: although appearance-wise, I think the Aimpoint is an excellent suggestion for the budget-conscious. However, what bothers me is that one is forced to use it and there isn't a manual alternative unless you remove the sight. If the battery runs out, is the aimpoint usable any more?

That's why I think that an ACOG is nice, because there is an iron sight at the top. Any thoughts on this?

Since this is airsoft and your life doesn't depend on your gear, battery failure is only a thorn in your side, not a critical failure.

Just pack an extra battery.

Just get what you think looks better, or what suits your kit better.

ACOG/sight for magnification, EOTech/Aimpoint/reflex sight for quick target acquisition.

Don't you know? If you die in airsoft, you die in REAL LIFE!

eotech or acog. eotech is cheaper for a real one, which you should get. whichever you prefer.

Aiming in airsoft doesn't involve even looking at your firearm. You shoot bursts of BB's want "walk" them to the target. Optics are just for looks.

And an aimpoint mounted on top of the carry handle looks l33t.

Since when? That's fackin' news to me.

Don't know about PTW's but TM's aren't really accurate enough for consistent shot placement anyway. I've had better luck just firing in bursts and walking my rounds to the target.

My old TM M4A1 was a nail driver to 130 ft.. :p

Ya just need some more practice with your gun, maybe a tightbore, and check out your hop-up. I've never had to 'walk' my rounds to my target.

Use the empty circle of the Aimpoint, chances are you can use it to get your bearings on your shot. It's what I did during a night game where the Aimpoint replica was just shining a light into my eye and killing my night vision.

Also sights in airsoft do work. I used Bob the Angry Potatos Famas and it can nail a target accuratley wit its Aimpoint.

If you have the money, and don't want to worry about batteries, get the Trijicon ACOG. AFAIK, it has a fiber optic cable which uses light from it's surroundings to power it's illuminated scope.

+1 when i had my elcan it was great and you dont have to extend your neck right up to the eyepiece too. they are great

Actually it's tritium (trijicon) and fiber optics as a....backup light source I guess.

It depends on what gun you are trying to put together.

You will probably want to put together a CQBR. It has as LMT upper and a regular M4A1 lower. Don't bother with that one you posted.

Also the good thing about the CQBR is that it has a Back up iron sight, so if your aimpoint goes down, you still have your irons. CQBRs work with both aimpoints and ACOGs. Although the aimpoint with a Wilcox mount is the popular route.

heh, duno. I guess you could always Crylon it. And turn it into a CQBR.

(top) MY SIR w/ ACOG and ARMS flip-up BUIS (bottom) CQB R w/ aimpount and fixed BUIS.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...Picture130.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4.../Leonidas3.jpg

The tritium is for night-time lighting, the fiber optics are so that as the ambient light level increases, so to does the reticle intensity. That's why ACOGs don't have any brightness adjustment... they're always at the right level.

I've made my decision. Eotech + 4x magnifier on a FTS mount (flip-to-side). Seems like the ultimate solution. All I have to do now is to wait for an airsoft version to come out!

There are replica EOtech optics. Huang is the guy to see about that. As for FTS mounts and the magnifier, someone here is bound to know where you can find a reproduction of those as well.

I have an Aimpoint M68 CCO replica, an Eotech 552 replica, a Barska SKS 4x scope and I'm getting a Trijicon ACOG. If you're hesitating like I did, just buy all of them. You're not losing since you can always change your setup, you can always resell them ( I know I won't) or you can always use them on another AEG.

The problem is I have too many hobbies already. I collect high-end watches too. So if I can minimize experimental losses in airsoft, that would be preferable. True - I can always sell, but I will lose out on the deal in the end.

My motto: you don't lose when you wisely choose.