Holy Crap - Escort Gas Blowback drop in mechbox!!!?!
 

YouTube - Escort Blowback Mechbox

Fresh off the chopping block is the new Escort Mechbox. This is built inside a standard UNMODIFIED Tokyo Marui mechbox. It is fully pneumatic and requires no batteries to operate. The additional recoil is substantial and the rate of fire is adjustable. This is only the prototype and the final model will have semi auto using standard Tokyo Marui style components. The system is simple and robust, unlike anything before in airsoft. This is slated for release early next year. Stay tuned for more updates.....this is one you won't want to miss.

S-nap! I definitely want one for my AK. Get it setup with a nice ICS Bolt carrier for some heavy blowback.

This is much better then the crappy AEG/Gas combos, where its an AEG, with a valve instead of a cylinder head. Makes it way to complicated and still has that AEG whine. But this! This is all pneumatic. No electronics, the way guns should be.

Discuss!
Cheers,
Alex

+2 for my AK.

It's about time, bring it on!

Gas seems to be the holy grail in regards to rifles.

As long as they find a way to store the gas inside the gun or mag itself.

I would hate to have an external rig to power that... too much like paintball...

With our winters, I'll stick with electric ;)

Although truth be told, a gas PSG-1 would be the cats ass.

Sorry, got to be external. This is for an unmodified AEG body utilizing AEG mags. Besides, nothing wrong with external air.

Yep, and agreed. Screw internal gas in mags, mags too expensive. Screw internal resiviours, can't be swapped like a mag. External air - less cooldown, more capacity, easier to work with.

I can't wait for these to come out. Word is they will be under the $200 mark, which isn't much above the price of a TM mechbox anyway.

Can't wait!

Cheers,
Alex

interesting.....

:( external gas source with hose? That wrecks it for me. I was hoping for 88g Co2 where the battery fits in on a G36c. External gas is like bringing your mom along when you on a date with your girlfriend.

I'm most certainly interested in this. I never much liked the electronic aspect of airsoft, so this is most certainly something on my wish list.

I'd rather have the external HPA tank with all-weather regulated performance than internal with propane or CO2, both of which are affected greatly by weather and pressure conditions. Some shit looks mighty cool, but give me performance over looks any day.

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to mod the airline to run back into the stock or other void where a small co2 cannister could be housed. Don't know what size of cannister you could get or what the capacity would be, better question for the Paintballers among us. It'd be interesting to know what volume of gas is consumed on each cycle of the mechbox.

how much does an external tank weigh? and how many shots do you get out of these things GRYPHON????
I wouldn't want to have to start carrying a big tank on my back, but I would like to hear pop.pop.pop.pop. rather then wwwwweeeeeerrrrrrr

Don't forget that it will also have a much more feelable "blowback". That, and a much simpler system then an AEG's gearbox internals IMO.

Cheers,
Alex

hahah i don't blow back i am a saw user, no j/k to feel recoil would be really something different eh?

Wasn't there like 3 posts about this last year?

No, that was the Madbull 470, which was a big flop and didn't have any sort of reciprocating "blowback" device. It was also powered by onboard 12g CO2.

This is Escort's. Blowback (though it looks like a pretty short stroke), and external gas. It will also lack the bolt stop feature that they can add to SP M16s.

I'm so glad I kept my G36 !

I haven't touched it in months, but now...

And I've already got an HPA tank and remote coil kicking around - and a rig to carry them...

Yahoo!

so is this a drop in replacement or would i have to get a new gun? from what i gather, its drop in, correct?

Sure looks like it.

I also have a remote line with On/off laying around, as well as an HPA tank and about 6-8 CO2 tanks... wohoo!

Gas powered mechbox huh... mabey I'll invest when they come out with a diesel version...

KABOOM! lol

:smack:

Could you fit a can of air in your stock?

Where there's a will, there's a way, right?

This actually strikes me as perfect for something like an M249. Reduce the BB capacity in the box and hide a small gas canister in there.

you know drake that's not a bad idea but I would rather not reduce the bb capacity and I like the biggest "power source" in my saw as possible. I will definately look at my saw tonight and figure if I could fit a V2 mechbox in it without to much modification, but it should fit I would just need to machine up some spacers as the current mech box is about twice as wide as a V2

I use a 9 oz. CO2 bottle which is about 2" round and 12" long, fits perfectly into my hydration pouch next to the HydraStorm. The water in the sac weighs more than the bottle does. I get well over a thousand rounds off it, probably double that. Never bothered to keep count. ;) I have a baby 3.5 oz. tank that I'll post pics of later, that's lasted me many mags on full auto. I usually use it as a backup in case my main runs dry.

I'm totally getting some of these for guns that can't otherwise take an Escort conversion (or would be too expensive to convert). GBB G36C would be kickass!!! :D

Hey wait, now I won't have such exclusivity over the GBB rifle realm anymore! NOOOOOOOOOO! ;)

Its funny how all the newbs are all against external gas tanks. Guys... relax, they're not actually guns OK. And theres no chicks to impress so who cares how it looks?

I'd prefer an external tank over leaky/expensive mags

I got dibs on the SP16. $20.

So where can I actually get one of these... I'm all in for hooping my ak up for summer season.

Its not even totally about the looks (although it does negate from the overall look). If I had an external tank most likely I would not want it attached onto to the gun because it throws it off balance, so i would have to wear the tank in the vest. It would still bug me. Feels like I'm running around with a corded phone in the bushes and branches during a milsim getting all tangled up. I would still prefer internal gas like I'm use to with air guns. Insulating the tanks helps somewhat in cold weather. On hot summer days the Co2/air would own.

Would a cylinder fit into a rifle stock pouch?

But yeah, even if you did need to run a cord to a backpack it wouldn't be that bad.

http://www.pyramydair.com/site/artic...-air-rifle.jpg
maybe an 88g. I tried a Condor 2 weeks ago, and the owner told me It gets a few hundred shots shooting very high grain lead pellets. So since plastic bbs weigh so much less, you'll get many more shots from a 88g which can be modded to be refilled at paintball stores I heard.

funny that some of you say that having gas in the mags would make the mags too expensive.
have you looked at the PTW mags? $100/mag.. hell i'd pay that much for a gas mag.
i cant wait for the Tanio Koba C8's.

Systema is a whole different story. Regular AEG mags can be quite cheap (especially MAG or Star locaps/midcaps), the ability to use them is a huge plus.

It's actually appealing to me because back when I was running with the idea of an MG36, I'd picked up a C-Mag and did a little test making it into a realcap, which worked out well... although getting my hands on a bunch of C-Mag shells didn't. But anyway, I did manage to get my hands on a bunch of C9 (M249) ammo boxes...

Long story short, 205 BBs in an ammo box leaves a lot of free space... not to mention it's lighter than a locap :P Small CO2 bottle in there would be perfect, like a small 88g deal. Dunno what's available for paintball, but when I was in advertising we use to do sellsheets for a company that made high pressure tubing and crap, I remember they had these small lines with QD couplings (I played pball a bit back then, so i noticed)... they'd be perfect.

Small CO2's would fit perfect inside my Sr-25 buttstock instead of this stupidly heavy 12v battery. Perfect for semi auto!

this is gonna be great. i'm just concerned on the reliaiblity part.

So… Is this a break through in airsoft world? I wonder if airsoft manufactures will pick up on this.

Ps. GBB PSG-1 has always been one of my secret fetishes

Just stick the external tank into a pouch on your carrier and pretend the tube is a lanyard or something. In fact, if they reinforced the tube, you could use it as a lanyard.

nah, A break through is if they replaced the mechbox with a tiny combustion engine that ignites a tiny amount of propane on each shot. Fuel supply in the mag.

Been done with a Tippmann C-3 paintball gun. Something about it not being able to go semi/full auto, and just being pump due to system limitations kinda sucks...

what about making small brass cylinders filled with explosive powder and placing the BB in the open end and keeping those in the mag.

:P

Sure, what an "original" idea. :D

I love my Tanaka USP, albeit the one shown here doesn't shoot BBs (my GBB one does :P)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...orp/wohoo1.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...orp/wohoo2.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...orp/wohoo3.jpg

Anyways, I'm not going to hijack my own thread. Back to Escort gas blowback gearbox goodness!

I would also like one of these Escort AEG to GBB conversions when available but for those who don't like the idea of a external tank and remote line there will be this:
gas no line
no gas in mag
shell ejecting and they offer a shell catcher but the shells are cheap but probably not too good for the environment.
and some awesome projectiles!!
http://rap4.com/paintball/os/rap4-ai...c-261_409.html

I think there is a thread about these here as well

Bah! Those Rap4's might be cool paintball guns, but I don't like em for realism. First off - they are open bolt blowback, not closed bolt like the rifles/handguns that they replicate should be. Next off - they have to have the ejection port inline with the magazine and barrel. Thats fine with the M4, the mp5 is kinda off, but the AK? The shells eject from a little window UNDER the real ejection port.

I'd sure love one of their GBB paintball pistols though.

Cheers,
Alex

thats along the same lines i was thinking, i use a 1-point sling, so i planned on running the line up tethered to the sling into my hydration carrier where i planned on storing the canister.. i figured a 90z or a 12oz at the most

This is so funny, for me ,As I have been involved with Paintball Industry for a few years now from Wholesale to manufacture and the way forward and talk in the last 3 yrs is to run the PB markers the way the Airsoft guns work . NPS had made a proto type marker that worked like a airsoft gun and here you guys want to go the gas blowback system mecbox route. .:D

Yeh, weird that way.

For those of us who are used to either playing paintball or using remote coils anyhow, this is awesome.

For those of you who are complaining about the remote coil before ever having tried it...

It's really not that much of a burden. I run around, crawl, dive, switch hands, and all sorts of other fun activities with a remote coil and it has never once inhibited my actions so dramatically that I wanted to do away with it.

I find my gear not fitting properly has been more of a pain than a remote coil ever has, and just as likely to get caught on bushes (if not moreso)

Not that I have any reason to convince people to LIKE the idea of remote air, but the more people who buy into good products like these, the more products will come out like them, which I DO encourage.

I'm pretty excited about this new mechbox conversion. This and the AI gas grenades... Mmm... gas...

If the internal tank for the RAP4 can get off a decent number of shots, couldn't one for airsof do even better?

Smaller projectiles, no casing, smaller mechanism? Wouldn't that all consume even less?

No. The RAP4 has no recoil to speak of. Escort guns have massive brass or steel bolts to provide this and moving that amount of mass requires a lot of gas.

Come on people, really. If it were a feasible idea, you don't think it'd have been done by now?

personally, performance comes befor recoil.
if i can get a GBB rifle with a gas mag system the can fire 30rounds, having the addition of recoil is just a bonus. i could care less for recoil if the trade off is a large steel cylender straped to my back. going prone then rolling over the cylender cant be too much fun, much less any good for the back.

Large steel cylinders... now this depends largely on whether you're running CO2 or HPA, and even then it depends on what size tank you're going to run. I've seen some players with large canteens strapped to their belts as a standard part of their kit, and a 45ci/4500psi HPA tank is comparable in size. Regulate that down to 800psi and you're good for several hundred shots before refilling.

Most HPA tanks (HP ones) are regulated to about 800psi anyway. And instead of steel, one can get carbon fiber tanks, much lighter weight. Up to 5000psi from what I've seen.

IIRC the carbon fiber tanks only go up to 4500psi - at 5000psi you'd have to go back to steel, unless there have been some new developments over the past few years.

I keep forgetting about the preset regs... all of my experience in paintball was with adjustable regs, as I had some markers that were tuned and ran optimally at lower pressures.

HPA only really has an advantage in the winter where the termperature won't affect it. To me there's too many disadvantages to using HPA so I stick with a nice 9 oz CO2 cylinder and I'm good for the day.

Oh yeah, I promised pics...

*rummage* *CLICK!* *upload*

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...ous/gas001.jpg

The larger one is a 9 oz tank and I get hundreds of shots off of it, probably well over a thousand, maybe closer to two thousand. The 3.5 oz baby is my favorite but I don't use it much 'cause it costs the same to fill as a 20 oz. I can get a couple dozen realcaps off of it I figure. Haven't actually sat down and tested the number of shots but with the Escort mechbox they'll be higher, as there's less mass to reciprocate.

Reg'd CO2 should do fine for airsoft even in winter. Most rigs are reg'd down to pretty low pressure (around 150psi?) which gives a lot of headroom even in cold temps. I think CO2 still exerts around 400psi at around -20C where our trigger fingers start to fall off and all sorts of other stuff starts to go bad.

Pball gobbles a lot more gas than AS so it has worse winter issues. Also, many Pball guns fire from unreg'd CO2 which is prone to temperature drop. If your gun is designed for 800psi inlet pressure, there's no headroom for low temperature performance. If your gun is designed to run at reg'd 150psi there's plenty of space to work with.

You're pretty entrenched in the Escort platform. Why not invest in a basic filling station? I think they can be run off of refillable 20-32oz bottles which is plenty of propellant to divvy up between 3.5oz tanks. I think a basic filling station costs around $100 including a simple hanging scale. Bigger CO2 tanks are pretty common (check your local welding supply) and the refills offer pretty much free gas when you work it out on a per bottle fill basis.

When I owned that Escort, I really wanted to weld a custom CO2 tank with a passthru pipe down the centre. I've always wanted a tank that could be sleeved over the inner barrel with end features to support the sight and connect to the rec'r to make an integrated forearm guard and onboard gas supply.

Well a filling station is about $50 or so, then I need to lease a cylinder with a siphon valve and they only make those in 50 lb. models I think which is about $80, and to fill the tank with CO2 is another $80. I don't use THAT much gas yet. ;)

You can install a siphon valve into any size CO2 tank with a little modification and work on your tank. Alternatively, just hang your source tank upside down.

from my understanding, this would only have semi auto?
I can see people using this for rifles, but a 249 stuck on semi auto would defeat the purpose of an LMG would it not?

Not sure about the escort drop in mechboxes.. but I know Gryphon's gun can fire just fine in full auto...

it is semi or full

Yes, if you watch the video clip, you'll find that it spits out a rather ridiculous rate of fire as well.

Bonus for SAWs/LMGs, you can probably hide the tank in the box mag, if you don't want to be tethered to the gun (although most SAWs I've seen have been slung one way or another, due to weight, so it's a little bit of a negated bonus...)

My Beretta Cx4 Storm pellet carbine runs off an 88g CO2 cannister that's stored in its stock. It's GBB as well, although very little recoil. It fires at 495 FPS and I can get about 350 useable shots out of 1 CO2 tank. After that, they get sort of weak, but I've fired 350 shots out of the container before having to swap it out. Probably could have gotten more, but was concerned that I might end up with a jam if I went for more than that. I'm sure with a rifle with a full-size stock, this could easily be adapted. And you could probably get away with less gas use blowing a .20g plastic BB out of the barrel than you could firing off .177 lead pellets.

excuse me while i change me pants.

yes I know that gun well from CAF :) We had a few threads on it there.
Maybe a g36k could take the 88g

anyhow just saw this. Look at it go!

Escort Blowback Mechbox INSTALLED
YouTube - Escort Blowback Mechbox INSTALLED

Looks like it can manage a full stroke bolt after all...

Still, I'd probably rather get a full on SP if possible, just for the Escort bolt catch.

wow. the lack of recoil really is a downer

Yeah, it would still allow for that knobish way a lot of people hold their guns (hand on the mag/magwell)

If only there were something that demanded a firm grip on the gun!

Yeah the recoil ain't as high as I expected either, but still better then nothing, and the bolt stroke is longer then I expected too.

I'm sure there are ways to increase recoil (heavy bolt? stronger recoil spring? higher pressure to compensate?)

I'm still gettin' one for my AKM.

Cheers,
Alex

does anybody know if it'll have a semi auto function?

I read somewhere that the guy (sniperx) DID say that it will. Infact there will be semi auto ONLY options for some countries (Germany and... New Zealand? I think).

Can't wait.

Cheers,
Alex

The thread SniperX posted,

He gives a lot of details in the later pages.

http://www.classicairsoft.net/forum1...?TOPIC_ID=8479

NICE!! Thanks for the link. Alot of info!!

You do realize that most small arms don't really have that much recoil. Before we had our vert grips we would hold the magwell while doing FIBUA. Hell, we were shooting with one hand for our PWT 4. With a little muscle it's not to hard to control.

Still a cool item. Makes me want to buy a M4 again when it comes out.

Half the reason I'm into airsoft and not paintball is due to the internal power sources...

I sent an email to sniperx and he said yes, there is a semi auto function aswell.

thanks thats perfect :D im definitly going to get one i just hope its not to far off

If you read the other forum he says it'll be out by first quarter 2008, US release, with a price aiming under $200 USD.

thnx i read it, i have to say the new steel construction looks very good. it definitely looks like it wont break under normal use.

Yea, I just hope it comes out soon!!

Good news for the people who do not like external gas tanks. Escort is also developing an option to have an internal gas.

With a bit of creativity and (I imagine) a pool of elbow grease, you can probably fit a small gas reservoir on or in just about any gun. The workings are pretty simple. All you have to do is pipe some regulated gas to the 'IN' port on the gasbox.

The regulator might be an issue...

http://airsoft-news.eu/e107_images/n...b_box_2111.jpg

By looking at these, I think a ambidexous selector swith will be possible on AR series yeah!!!!! I just have a hard time figuring how they gonna make it possible to have an airsupply coming from the stock. Still look wicked.