KSC USP .45 Japan and Taiwan?
 

Just wondering if anyone knows the difference between them!? On redwolf, the only difference between the right ups on them is, "A true masterpiece from KSC Japan." on the Japanese one. I'm assuming it's the internals on one right? The more expensive one is clearly better? At least, common sense is telling me so =P

http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=19418
http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/ai...l?prodID=19535

No difference, aside from trades on the right side of the frame, and markings on the mag.

They're both the exact same, internally. So no need to worry about mfg. flaws.

You're the man, thanks!

No worries :)

Small , shallow trades : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...to/USPBox3.png

KSC is known for shallow trades, but it really doesn't bother me much.

I'm having fun switching windows and seeing the name, price, status and (that little bit of the) description change :D

Hehe, me too. Good old tabs.

Man come on guys! We rant and we rant about being mature and respectful in this sport and you guys are acting like a bunch of two year ol- ohhh a penny!

git the fuck away from my gaddamn penny.

Man, we all need lives, seriously =P

That's right. Which is why you should git the furk away from mah PENNEH!

I did a fair bit of research on this a while back, before opting for a 92FS instead. Apparently, one is made in Japan, one is made in Taiwan. The ones made in Taiwan have a slight chance of being a lemon. Though I'm not sure if this was just a rumor.

Reeheeheeheeheeeaallllly?! This is the first I'm hearing of this. Hmmm, google here I come!

hmm i missed all the fun.. i am going to have to do some research too..

From what i believe the difference is, the one made is japan has better quality control

I think some of you are confused with KWA.

Isnt KSC owned by kwa? From what i remember KWA basically started the whole airsoft scene
EDIT:
http://www.airsocom.com/acatalog/KWA...facturing.html
I just found this, So if im reading this right the only reason japan guys are more expensive is because they are exported from Taiwan to japan and then here.

No. KSC is NOT owned by KWA. The article doesn't say that anywhere.

From what I've seen, KWA has a higher percentage of lemons... I've never heard of a KSC lemon.

Lol... I have never owned/used a KWA or KSC im join doing some quick research. Your probably right

from what ive read, all ksc pistols are produced in taiwan, but some are sent to japan for some extra QC, and thats the main difference.

most KSC guns imported here are taiwan versions. If you'd put them side by side, you can't tell the difference in terms of quality and performance. Taiwan Versions are WAY cheaper.

nor i, but is you get the USP then DO NOT use propane without a metal slide, unlike the KSC glocks that have a metal reinforcement at the front of the slide, the USP's dont

metal reinforcement on the glock
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...v/DSC_3567.jpg

what happened after 10 mags worth of propane on the USP
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...v/DSC_3551.jpg


why KSC didnt put the reinforcment on the USPs aswell is beyond me.

Since noones said it yet, japan version of ksc are mearly taiwan versions sent off for quality control & stammped jasg on the side of the gun.

One guy on these boards bought a glock 23f (Taiwan) due to the finikeyness of the full auto gbbs it was indeed a lemon.
Lucky for him it got fixed easily & quickly, since then it has ran flawlessly.

Personally i've bought 3 ksc g19's all taiwan version & not one lemon.

kjw is the one you should worry about lemons with

Both are assembled in Taiwan from Japanese made parts, but the ones that bear the JASG stamp (usually on the frame somewhere) means a select batch were sent back to KSC in Japan for a second round of QC, so it means dual QC as opposed to single QC, hence the higher price tag on Japan KSC guns. Incidentally, from some stroke of luck, I own three KSC G19s, one KSC M11A1 and an older KSC MK23. All bought used, only one KSC G19 didn't have the JASG stamp, all the rest were inspected a second time before being shipped to retailers.

Not sure where the USP is stamped, but the Glocks are stamped in the horizontal light attachment rail (if looking at the bottom with muzle pointed up), the M11A1 is stamped at the bottom of the grip at the front, and I think the JASG is marked on the trigger guard of the MK23, will have to take a look if anyone needs the info.

I beg to differ, I've had 5 KJW guns now (two glocks, 2 beretta's and one usp) and my third Beretta is currently in the mail on it's way to me and I've NEVER had a problem with any of the guns! AND they come full metal to boot! The internals are perfectly fine! KJW makes good, quality guns IMO. Great buy for the money.

Now the MAGS are a different story. I've heard that they tend to leak, almost all of them. I've had 2 leak, I fixed them with some teflon tape around the bottom seal, then screwed it back together and it holds perfectly fine. Going on 8 months now with the teflon tape and not a single leak. People trash KJW all the time, but I swear by them.

I've wanted a KJW Para-Ord for sometime.. Maybe I'll give Ken some more business :D

I can pretty much guarantee you that you wont regret it. Great internals, full metal build? Can't go wrong.

It's not the fill valve that leaks, it's the actual seal around the bottom of the mag. All you have to do IF it leaks (again, only 2 or my 13 or 14 mags have ever leaked) is pop off the bottom plate, remove the screw, take out the bottom of the mag, put on a nice layer of teflon tape, pop it back in, screw it back together and DONE! Teflon tape is like what, a dollar or two?

I haven't had a problem with my KJW P229, unlike other guns. The only problem, like matt says, is the mags. For mine, the main o-ring needed replacing twice, because I didn't store it with gas in it, twice.

That'll do it =P I clean and oil my mags and guns (pistols anyway) every 7 mags and after every game, so I've only ever had the two leak and the two mags that leaked were used, so chances are the previous owner didn't take the best care of them.

KWA and KSC are different brands but are made in the same factory.

Same guns, same parts except for the quality control. KSC are very thorough and get sent back to Japan for another test.

The KSC JAPAN are assembled in Japan.
But yes there are KSC TAIWAN and KSC JAPAN.

KWA is a diff story.

Don't ever buy KJ unless you want to throw your money away, VERY rarely do KJ guns survive past 3 months of heavy usage.
Garbage.

Bullshit.

I'm with Styrak! Bullshit! What are you basing this on? I've had 5 (soon to be 6) KJW guns ALL survive past 8 months, and 4 of those five are over a year or two old and never had a SINGLE internal problem with any of them! KJW makes perfectly fine guns, IMO.

So matt, does that mean you had some external problems?

My KJ M9, runs fine. Im the second owner as well, this item is well over a year old. Previous owner took care of it, and I have as well. Many rounds have gone through the gun and I have never yet to have an issue. KJ for its price is a good deal, but in some cases you do get lemons, but as with any GBB good maintenance as well as care and attention is required.

well i guess here on the westcoast airsoft.. no one uses KJ, if they do. for collecting only. the guns are poorly made.

In your opinion.

And no, i haven't had any external problems either. I just emphasized the internal because people always trash talk KJ's internals. Like I've said before, only problem i've ever had with KJW was two leaking mags which took me about a minute to fix and cost about a dollar to fix. They're great in my opinion!

my KSC USP when i was stock was great had a mag issue (my fault droped it and crack the mag a bit nothing some RTV sealant couldn't fix). but went metal barrel and slide, upgraded recoil and hammer spring and going to install the KA recoil spring guide soon. and its a nail driver i love it to bits.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...Picture272.jpg

i agree i have one too currently and i'm still loving it. the kick and the weight is perfect! and its SO DAMN SEXY. i'm still trying to find a way to balck out hte trades, (trades too shallow to do the crayon method)

my USP on prop is LOUD shit people know when i'm shooting my USP cause of the volume.

I have heard that the USP compact has a low stock fps. Any truth to that?

Wrong. Come out to Panther and check out players using KJ pistols. I used a KJ Beretta for atleast a year and never had any issues.

http://www.google.ca/advanced_search?hl=en

Try that link there, you should find the answers to all your questions.

But I'll be nice.
My KJW Beretta M9 shoots a SOLID 330 out of the box, I'm very impressed with her (and that's stock, but I do have a 150% spring on the way for her)
My Glock 23 shoots about 280 stock, and with the new 150% spring, about 310
My KJW USP P8 shot about 270 on propane stock, upgraded spring was about 300 flat
KJW USP Compact, you're looking more around 240-250 FPS on propane, so yes, it's a little weaker, but the guns smaller. What do you expect :confused:

my compact shot 290 on propane

my KSC USP compact shoots around 290-300 with propane

my usp full size shoots very loud (as loud as a TM Deset Eagle) clocking in at 330 fps minimum.

Thanks BBS and hattric. Matt491 I did look a lot on google and I found that the compact's fps was low and thats why I was asking for some more peoples first hand experience.

The ones listed as Japan go back to the factory where the parts are made and get a second quality control inspection. That's pretty much it, both are made from Japanese parts and both are assembled in Taiwan. Just some go back to Japan for a second QC before going to retailers.