Fake vs Real MC Retailers
 

I've been looking at several merchants and whatnot to get some multicam pants from and thought that it might make things easier for people in the same boat to compile a list of retailers offering BDUs in fake multicam repro shit and real CP fabric. Just let me know what retailers I'm missing.

Dave's: real
204Tactical: fake
FelixTactik: fake
Seals Action Gear: real
Drop Zone: real

Great Idea, I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in who uses fake/real fabrics.

You forgot ArmyIssue.

I couldn't find any multicam on his site.

I thought Felix/The Cat used a really high quality copy, comparable to the real thing quality wise but not Crye brand name, not 100% sure though.

What about Seals action gear?
-VM

What about them? Nah, I'm kidding. I just think they overcharge.

Quoted for Truth.

The Cats are repro. Seals is Crye Fabric.

Drop Zone Tactical and ICE Tactical are real stuff. Tactical Response Equipment(TRE) for vest and pouches also uses the real thing.

Added Drop Zone.
ICE, TT, HSGI, Emdom, etc. are obviously authentic and don't really need clarification.
I can't seem to find the TRE website though. Link?

One Shot Tactical - Real = (Drop Zone and HSGI)

He's located in Montreal and I don't think there's a website yet. Me and a couple of the local players have purchased equipment from him. He makes equipment for European customers also.

http://www.pbase.com/bruce_m4/image/59462153/medium.jpg
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I have seen the BK guys gear, and it looks sweeeeeet!!

Woah. How do they know about his stuff if he doesn't have a website? Is that a modular plate carrier? Does he do custom work?

Felix Tactical (The_Cat) is real Crye multicam LT material, same as all the above mentioned. Only fake stuff I know of is a lot of what you see on Ebay. I own a DZ Pair of Ops pants and the excellent Recce Smock, both mulitcam, and the material is the same as the Felix Tactical BDU shirt (Ver III) that I own as well. And the HSGI ball cap material. Saying that Felix Tacitcla is fake MC is like saying Drop Zone, ICE, SEALS, Dave's and what not is all fake as well since Crye didn't sew the BDUs.

What about that 100% cotton multicam t-shirt?

Who knows.

I thought multicam only comes 50/50 cotton/nylon twill and higher... the highest is their cordura fabric I believe.

FYI: 204 Tactical and FelixTactik have the same MC for sale in fact prolly came from the same manufacturer so pls stop saying the Felix Tactik\'s MC is made with MC LT version because its not.

Have you seen his post? check it out here http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...t=30893&page=2

If you guys want real CRYE MC expect to pay $150+ just for the top and another $150+ for the pants.

I dont see whats the deal who have fake or real MC. Both Companies is here to support the Airsoft community not to rob them. What about the people who dont make that much money and they can only afford the knock off stuff? Does it make him a better player if his wearing $400 MC BDU\'s? I dont think so.

The Cat told me that his are the same material "specs" as Crye LT but not actual Crye LT. I didn't say it was fake, just repro. (not that you said I did lol).

Hey if it fits your budget, then go for it! It's all for fun. I did see a kid wearing a repro set of HK stuff next to a Dave's set. Noticeable difference for sure. It was like having a set of new ACU beside a pair caked in iraq dust. (which I think looks better, but in this case it was too faded haha).

Well, if The_Cat's BDUs are made out of repro material and not fake stuff, then we have yet another type of material out there. E-bay's HK stuff (Jackals has the shirt, compared it to my DZ Smock and it's quite different, the colours are close but ht edigital fades between colours are much larger pixels), and the material Cat uses is pretty damn close when compared to the Crye material. So looks like three different types of multicam material out there now.

yes I agree too! It's the same as the bad marpat repro vs. the one with the ripstop & globe and anchor...and the real deal itself...

"3 is the magic number" - Jack Johnson (Curious George soundtrack)

hmm so who do we contact for that pretty good looking MC vest?

:-D

He has 3 different style of MOLLE vest and was working on a plate carrier. All sorts of pouches and will custom make any pouch for your specific needs. We know him from the early days of airsoft in Montreal back in 2000.

I had a product price list from him that I'll try and find for anyone that is interested. He came to see me with his stuff so that I could see and discuss what I needed from him. All the Fastex hardware were bought by me from Supply Captain because I wanted coyote brown instead of black to be installed on my rig.

Oh, ok. I thought he was refering to the cut rather than the fabric. My brother emailed him to ask specifically about the fabric and his reply was, "Actually, all my Crye Multicam gears have been sold, and
I don't have a yard left to make something."
That led me to believe the BDUs were CP imitation cutting (which was obvious), but real fabric. Though, looking back, I guess he didn't really say anything was made out of genuine CP fabric.

The deal isn't with people who have fake/real MC. It's with retailers trying to pass their goods off as something they are not, or making it difficult to tell. I just think it's misleading to call it multicam and then talk about how it's such great camo instead of directly saying 'this is not CP multicam fabric' when asked.

Wow, that rocks. I am definitely interested, so feel free to PM me with that info. You wouldn't happen to know if the plate carrier also fits level III soft armour panels, would you?

The real Crye fabric comes 100% cotton or 50/50.

And to add to the gear dealers useing real Crye material.

Tactical Tailor
Eagle
Esstac
Blackwater

Colin
Daves Surplus & Tactical
www.davesarmysurplus.com
sales@davesarmysurplus.com

Put me down for the info on this vest as well. I would sell my left nut for one.

Seals Action Gear--Real or fake?
-VM

As stated above they are real. I have a pair and they are great. Alittle pricey but oh well.... as long as I like them.

Think SEALS is pricey, check out Drop Zone BDUs! Ouch, but hey, they are well made and very well designed! (wearing my DZ pants now, are comfy and well cut........ and no, not being a charisofter right now, waiting for pick up to the game. :tup: )

how much is the west?

The vest with all the pouches cost me about $600. Add another $60-80 for the coyote brown Fastex hardware.

Price list PMed to those interested.

I'm interested in that list too Bruce.

So much multicam out there so little money. Oh well looks like 70 hour work weeks are gonna become a standard from now till eternity

For shits & giggles..........

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/gallery...1_original.jpg

Zoom in.......

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Is there a link page someplace for all of the MC suppliers in Canada?

Does anybody know of a telephone number for Integrated Combat Equipment? They're not replying to emails....

Anyone? I am waiting desperately for a matching pair of trousers for my Mulicam ICE Hard Shell Jacket from Fred/Hobey and I do not get any replies to my emails ... :(

Any hints on how to make him answer?!? :smile:

Cheers,
mark23

About Cat's MC

- he orders BDU from outside Canada.
- His nametags can be found at : 1800nametapes.com
- He doesnt sew any MC, most of his stuff can be found in HK market.

Maybe if you ask him personnaly he will answer....

So CATs MC stuff is fake?

Multicam Counterfeiters: http://www.multicampattern.com/infringers.htm

Official Multicam Site: http://www.multicampattern.com/

They can fuck themselves. If they hadn't priced themselves out of the market, there wouldnt be any counterfeiters.

Good luck enforcing patent rights on a pattern printed on fabric manufactured in another country that fuels their economy by ripping off patents from North America and Europe. The people who had their accounts suspended should drop a lawsuit on Crye for endangering their livelihood - the people selling aren't printing the knockoff shit, just selling it.

Boycott Crye. Nobody in the real world uses there multicrap anyway, and if they did they'd be mistaken for airsofters.

well, what crye is doing makes sense, but its bullshit. real military, law enforment groups arent going to go out and buy replicam, and maybe if crye had multicam avail to the public, more airsofters would buy it. they are just trying to make a monopoly and corner the market... allbeit it is their design, but most knock offs are different (in color, design) so crye should have nothing to fear, and as i implied before, if they supplied this stuff, theyd have even less to fear. i dont agree with their actions, but i understand their point of view.

Oh no! Its the RIAA comming to shut down the torrent sites! Oh, wait, it isn't, its just Crye shutting down counterfeiters.

Yup, its one of the better copies but it isn't official Crye fabric. When I bought mine I was told he used real Crye fabric (didn't hear it from him but through the grape vine so I have no idea who started the rumor) but then found out later its a knock off.

In the right conditions (the conditions where temperate and arid patterns fail, the spot right between the two) multicam is incredibly effective. I'm sorry if its not used by a real military force so it isn't l33t enough for you but it works great and I will continue to use it.

ya i was told he uses cp/mc, but when i got some of his stuff it, its definatly not. its still nice and still works, but it doesnt match cp/mc. (hyd is cp/mc, buttpack is replicam
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that shit that people were saying before that you couldnt tell the difference between replicam and multicam is a load as well. it was said the only difference was the blending between the shades and the base, but as you can see here the is a huge difference between the replicam and real mc; its more cream/white rather than coyote tan, and i see a major difference in the blending. sure it still looks good, and if that what you want it for, perfect, but if it worked as well as cpmc, the military would use replicam, lol. im not bashing replicam, im just saying theres a difference.

Stalker and Hazard locally here have DropZone MC (real Crye MC) and it is darker and slightly different in tone than my Felix Tactik MC BDU's but not all that off. The difference between the two is no where near as extreme as your example Swatt13 but yes still noticeable.

Oh, and the CP/MC 1000D cordura is quite a bit darker/richer in colour than their cotton/nylon BDU fabric. I have 2 yards of real CP/MC cordura and its darker than the BDU's I've seen that use real fabric.

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My MC jacket on the left from Seals and my MC shirt on the right from 204.

Another big difference is on the inside, the Crye material is dyed almost right through the fabric, but the fake stuff is almost just on the surface. Explains why the fake stuff fades relatively fast.

This might help you guys: http://www.multicampattern.com/gear.htm

Emdom uses a lot of HK manufacturing, but they apparently use real MC fabric too.

The DZ Multicam is fucking comfortable. And the Felix stuff is kinda odd in
sizing for the pants as they kinda get narrow on the legs and you look funny.

GO DZ!

thats right Stalker...and it's what's on the inside that counts! I didn't know you were such a softie!

Hey, it's true, just don't spread the word too much. ;)

So, I.C.E. don't have a telephone then????

Fuck ICE Tactical, they promised us a 5 week turn around on a group order of BDU's and it took well over 5 months, with a truck load of excuses.

There workmanship sucks the bag, single stitched seams and that stitching isn't straight. The sizing is off, way off, around half of the guys who were originally on the order of around 10 BDU's, don't wear them or sold them........myself included.

ICE = Utter Crap!

Want good stuff go through Drop Zone.