OICW
 

Hey I took a look aroun and as far as I know no-one has suggested this so far; how about a custom-made XM-29 OICW for airsoft? It would be interesting to make, and I think possible (though I could be totally wrong here.)

What you'd need is:

1) A carbine of the apropriate size (maybe a TM G36c?) This would be the lower assault rifle/carbine used in the system.

2) some sort of grenade system, if there is a gas/Co2 semi-auto shotgun out there it would be perfect. Shotshells would work best regardless, M203s are too big, nor can you fire more than one shot out of them.

3) http://www.unconventional-airsoft.co...w/guncamscope/ for the OICW's hi-tech scope... I'm sure you can make the camera system smaller if you try. In fact I'm pretty sure I saw a post where somone (maybe the guy from Unconventional Airsoft) was trying to make a new version of the Camera/Scope system.

If you can get those three things and figure out a way to use them all together in a OICW style shell... well you'd have a unique gun to say the least.

Some problems I can forsee:
1) Weight... this would be a heavy mutha.
2)the outer shell, it would be dificult to shape a OICW frame for the guns.
3)the grenade system. I don't know if there is a semi-auto GBB shotgun out there, or any kind of semi-auto spread weapon. I suppose alternativly it could launch something like little nerf foam balls, though I have no clue how to make THAT semi-auto either.
4) the trigger system... I have no flipping clue how to make it so one trigger operates both guns.

Just a suggestion, feel free to tear it apart.

well my old school GBB used a hammer to hit a pin that lets it release a small burst of gas in order to propel the BB. You could look into modding a GBB mag to release more gas or figure out how to take the CO2 guns' gas operation system and make it work as a semi auto propellent for the Nerf balls.

I have no experience with these ideas so...good luck..

I'm pretty sure that's how most GBBs work, the catch in this case is that if you wanted to make this you'd need a hell of alot more gas to propell either one big, soft projecile or a shotgun blast of bbs.the catch really is magazine feed. You'd need to make a custom mag for the nerf balls (if you chose that projectile) plus the gas. It's simpler just to have a shotshel in there and fine a way to fire it semi-auto. Hell maybe you could make a second AEG on to that uses a cross between a spring shotgun system (like the TM M3 series for example) but with a motor to drive the air piston.

I don't know... something to look into

I think you would have better realism if you used a P90 or Steyr AUG
but the only problem with those is again the size, you have to add the grenade launcher, and the scope, not to mention the price of the scope alone.

Cheers
Dalton

Noone said it would be cheap or easy ;) hell I'm just throwing this out here as an Idea to see if it can be done, doesn't mean I'm gonna try and build it. I certainly don't have the money to make one right now... though I may try later in life when I have more money.

<if a guy made a WA2000 from shit , everything's possible

Please, tell me how the hell you see either a G36, AUG or P90 in the OICW. Maybe take a look at the gun again.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1281176.html

Neither of those look anything like the OICW and the end product would look like shit. If you're going to do something, dont do it half-assed. It would need to be made from scratch. The only current existing airsoft parts that could be used is maybe the grip and magazines from an M4 and the selector switch from a G36.

the front handguard looks a bit like a G36's but you're right , you'd have to do a lot of machining to get it done

you could make an AICW with an AUG.
For the GL, I think the 27mm mini moscarts would be best, if you could make an appropriate launcher.

Yeah , that'd be a bit easier , very expensive , though.

again, let's assume cost isn't an issue. The AICW would be easier to make but doesn't have quite the same kick-ass look IMO. I sugested a G36c for the similarity in design to the assault rifle section of the OICW system. Another Idea would to be to canibalize a M4A1 and attempt to make it resemble the lower section of the OICW... but I imagine that would be as much of a pain.

yeah, just looking at the rifle subsection, it looks like it takes armalite mags. You could probably build up around a CQB-R or something, take the flashider from a G36/XM8 and the foregrip form an XM8. If you want an outside power source for the GL (not in the shells), I think you could rip apart an M1100 (that's the semi auto shell ejecting one, right?) and mod it to take magazines, though personally, I would expect self containted shells ala 40mm, 27mm moscart/tanaka 1897 shells would work better (also simpler/smaller mechanism).

i see a verry heavly moded m4 for the lower section. and unfortunatly i think the gl would have to be compleetly custom built. although i agree 27 mm moscart shells would be best for the gl. or you could find a way to mod real i would have to say .50 bmg shell maby cut to a shorter length to accepr some kind of foam projectile somthing like this im thinking http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0000000111.jpgit defenatly would not be easy, although would be cool as hell.

Not a bad Idea... but it would be difficult to do.

If it has any resemblence to anything its going to be a g36 with a Stanmag well. But yes it would be a frakenstein of AEGs, however id thing this would have to be all custom work, what exactly compelled you to this, are you a fan of the OICW project, or do you think itd be interesting, we always need more innovators in the forums.

I'm just a fan of anything that goes "boom" :cheers:

And can you think of anything that goes "boom" better than a 20mm semi-auto grenade launcher?

no sir! well, walking around with a howitzer would impress me more.

*Enter my friend, who I shall call Minime, stage right* Afformaentioned friend has been experimenting with Airsoft Arty designs and has designed a airsoft arty piece that can be detached from it's base. Since aformentioned Arty piece uses a disosable Co2 cartrige like a rocket to propell the projectile, it is lightwieght and can be used by-hand. The only problem we have is finding a safe-to-use round to fire.

As it is, when he carries it it looks like the illegitamte love-child of a bazooka and the Minigun in Terminator 2

we need more people like this, innovators. Id love to know how to make my own frames, im dying to make an MRC from Crye.

For the lower carabine I'd see the Marui H&K G3 series or H&K MC51 as a the contruction base, with a shortenned G3 fore grip.

As for the precision rifle section, a gutted FA MAS-F1 frame seems fitting (unless you're willing to search for an L85A1 frame). Maybe integrating a Maruzen M1100 or Marushin Winchester M1887 into the frame, while maybe sacrificing the semi automatic (using a bolt to cock the shotgun), might give a sense of power. Although I would rather put a gas powered rifle in the upper section. Since using a shotgun means stripping everything but the bare essentiels (Barrel, cocking system, ammo) which might cause problems when it will come down to the esthetics, or system for that matter.

All in all, I'd rather squeeze my budget real hard, keep it close, and let the bulky guns to some guy named Rambo with an italian accent.

-noobster-

yeah that things a bitch of a big gun.

Being a bargin-soft player I understand the cost problems.. this is just hypothetical

basically I would modify a shotgun shell or large bore rifle round like a .50 bmg round. basically cut the shell to the length you want drill the hole where the primer would normally sit(this would serve and a port in witch some type of valve would enter the shell and blow gas in to it witch in turn would blow the projectile out of the shell. something like a small nerf dart or rubber ball.

as for the firing system I am seeing something along the lines of gbb system. only rather than moving the whole shell forward in to the barrel it would only extract the shell and another shell would move straight up. there would also have to be some kind of long pipe that could blow a large about of gas into the shell to propel the projectile.

or you could simply make it bolt action.

the extremely hard part. well for me would be actually building it. I am good at coming up with ways to make things but lousy at actually building them

I get what your getting at, Pyle. Hell if it's GBB you could easily make it powerful enough to actually eject the spent case like a real round. One problem with ANY gbb sytem for the OICW design: Bothe the rifle and the grenade launcher operate off of the same trigger, so you'd have to set up some way of having one triger select-fire control both an AEG and a GBB.

One Idea, Two gearboxes, two AEGS... one standard 6mm the other firing a specilize 10-15mm soft slug. The Battery could be concealed in the space between the Grenade clip and the rifle, and have conectors running to both gearboxes. The trigger could simply swith witch AEG gearbox is being used. Not sure about how you'd cramm all that in there but I'm sure it's possible.

why not use a servo for a rc car to be the triger for the gl launcher. instead of the trigger for the aeg maby make one of the buttond that are on the trigger gaurd be the trigger

BEcause I kinda like the Idea of actually having it operate like a real OICW.. and besides where's the fun in pressing a button to fire and airsoft gun, huh?

well you wouldnt be firing the gl full auto. it will be a rarely used weapon. otherwise you would have to compleetly redesign the triger for whatever your basc gun is. add an extra position on your fire selector or somthing. otherwise i have no clue how the hell you could make that work.

I thought it was an explosive round, more so then a grenade.

you are absolutly right. they developed 3 ammo typs. an air burst round that you could adjust the distance and alt of explosion. an HE round. and a training round.

btw. yay my 666 post on asc :tup:

I never said full auto, the top AEG would be semi-auto only... if possible. Again the GBB system would actually probably be harder to do.

How about the middle ground solution:

I seriously doubt that an AEG style GL would provide sufficient power, your best bet would probably be self containted gas charged shells. The ideal one would probably be those recently posted Mad Max shotgun shells (5 8mm BBs each, right? Could probably mod it to shoot slug or a lot more 6mm). They're smaller than the 27mm moscarts (so closer to the real 20mm) but also pack quite a bit of power. Next best, external gas. Lord knows there's enough room in the OICW to cram a tank somewhere :p. Still, this system is rather overly complicated but at least an example already exists in the M1100.
How about an electronic load/fire/extraction system for selfcontainted shells? It doesn't seem too difficult to do, and is easy to intergrate with the rifle section's electronics. You'd basically just need a AEG style mechanism, only instead of drawing a piston, it'd move the bolt to load/extract.

Also, just on accurate replication, the battery would have to be in the rifle, not the GL. Afterall, the rifle section can function standalone, while the GL can't.

I like it :D it would work just like that M4 shell-ejecting gun, only so much cooler. Only catch is making sure you pick up your shotshells afterwards (too expensive to be disposable)

it looks great

For the select fire option, start off by making a system that would fire both rifles at once. That would allow a working setup. As for the carabine, which would be aEg (note the emphasis), simply make an electronic shut off switch between the battery and the AEG motor. So when you clip the upper section on to the AEG, the top will fire (since the setup allows miscellaneous fire) but do to the cut off, the carabine won't fire. The same system would be applied to the top part.
Some parallel wiring here and there, basic switch system (paper clip and plate :P ) and you got yourself a fire select weapon.

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