C7A2 = TM M4A1?
 

im just wondering if a TM M4A1 could be substituted in place of a custom made rifle body to make a C7A2? and what parts would be necessary to make one.

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/id-macpher2-2.jpg
this is a current image of the prototypes being issued in Kabul.

I know a guy who knows a guy, well his brother is getting some C7 and C8 bodies.


Next week... that's what he told me anyway.

i thought that only the iron sight type bodys were produced and not the "Flat Top" that i will be needing

UPDATE!!, i have located a "Cleaner" Photo of a real steel C7A2, could someone please help with identification of the needed parts?
http://www.coltcanada.com/Images/c7-pic.gif

What're you starting with?

So let's say you've got a basic M16 with a flat-top reciever and full stock.

You'll need;
M4 Retracting Stock
Triad Foresight Rail
C79 Elcan (or replica)
Can of green spraypaint
C7/8 metal body (if you want the complete look)

Do not buy the thermold mags...they're poo.

What's wrong with thermold mags? Why people hate them so much?

They break ridiculously easy.

And Spas-Tick22, do you want yours to look like the first or second pic? Both can be done rather easily. Not cheaply, but easily.

Cause the real steel version's Lips break off at the slightest bit of pressure. So if you want to portray a Cdn rifle use standard Armalite mags.

P.S
I have heard of a limited edition of C7 metal bodies coming down the line soon so keep an eye out for those as they will probably get snapped up faster than donoughts at Fat Camp :razz:

I love the idea of getting a C7 rifle, I love the look of the C7A2, but I guess it'll have to wait. As for converting the rifle, to me all it seems is you need a longer barrel, but maybe more. Good luck with that.

Suggested C7A2 plan
 

Here's what I suggest for creating a C7A2:

SRC-AEG-M4A1FM
SRC M4A1 Full Metal
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...m4a1fm_low.jpg


GP-KIT-357
G&P M16A2 Front Set ( OD )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...it_357_low.jpg


GP-ACC-M16PGODN
G&P Pistol Grip for M16 Series ( OD )

http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...6pgodn_low.jpg


GP-ACC-381
G&P M4A1 6 Position Sliding Buttstock ( OD )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...cc_381_low.jpg


ACTION-SP-15
ACTION High Grade Spring ( 1.5J, 380fps )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag..._sp_15_low.jpg


INT-96-1200M
Intellect 9.6V 1200mAh - Mini Type ( Ni-MH )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag..._1200m_low.jpg

The above parts will work perfectly together. The mini Intellect battery has a very high discharge, can crank the Action 380 fps spring, and is able to fit in the G&P M16 front end. When replacing the original SRC retractable stock, it can be sold here on ASC for probably around $25 or so.

If you rather have a battery stock, here are your options. I'd go for the STAR battery stock because it's battery has a very high mah. If you prefer a smaller profile stock, just stick with the above G&P 6-position stock.

STAR-SET-STOCK02OD
Star Complete Stock Set 2 ( OD )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...ck02od_low.jpg


GP-ACC-417B
G&P M4A1 Extended Battery Buttstock with 9.6V Battery ( OD )
http://www.wgcshop.com/WGC_Shop/imag...c_417b_low.jpg

If the whole project seems expensive, then I'd suggest just getting the SRC M4A1, G&P OD M16 front end, and a can of Krylon OD spray paint. SRC M16 front ends are pure crap and will wobble out of the box. Replacement of that assembly is a must.

Keep in mind that you'll have to get an Elcan replica too.

I have done both a C7A2 and a C8A2(SFW)
here are the links
http://www.pbase.com/chef40/c7a2_project
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...highlight=C7A2 (pics not working, see above link)
or
http://www.pbase.com/chef40/c8_sfw
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...highlight=C7A2

Dharr Jackals,

The links you provided no longer have active pics......

changed the links directly to my pbase images.

Don't C7A2s have 16" barrels?

Tahnks guys, will post the results when i can get the bloody funding to make it, lol. just bought a quad with the gun money :P

Well now you can use that quad to ferry around militia right?

I can tell you up front that both projects costed me over $1000 per project. Good luck. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Kind of off topic, but interesting, best Diemaco replica I've ever seeen

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...259&hl=diemaco

If only someone could make us a custom barrel like that in Canada.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...dnsoldiers.jpg

found this

Reminds me of my old C8 SFW :( Now the proud property of Ex-Royal.

I was just wonder. Im 17 now(turned 17 june 8th) so i have tons of time to save my money....But im more in to the C7A1 look. I was just wondering what would u suggest for C7A1 ?

C7A1 is actually easier. You'll need a TM M16 and then replace the plastic body with a Flat Top Reciever and put a C-79 Elcan or replica Elcan on it. Rumour has it Guarder is producing C7 Recievers soon.

That depends how authentic do you wantto be, and how much are ou willing to spend?

Im willing to spend any where 300-500 bucks(on top of the gun) and does it have to be TM ......im kinda worried about barrel wabble

once you put on the metal body it will fix the barrel wobble.

Alright thx for the help........now im looking forward to my 18th b-day aha

I have an ics m4, I sanded the Olympic arms lion and other trades off and took it to someone that dose laser engraving, although I never did actually go through with having the engravings done, (I will one day) the guy said he could defiantly do that for me. just something to think about if your buying a tm gun upgrading to a metal body all the other work. you could get a ics m16 sand the receiver with fine sand paper to remove the trades and take it to someone who dose laser engraving. make sure to have high res pics or the diemaco receiver to show him exactly how it will look as well as a rough size of them. the receiver is according to ics aluminum but double check and wala you have a custom made diemaco receiver.

Thxs for the suggestion.....going to save some money for sure now,just got to read some reveiws ........also if i was going to go with TM, type of m16 would be bettee for the c7 look? a1 or a2

A TM M16 by itself is pretty much a C7A1 without the trades. Replace the body with a metal C7 body and you can either do a C7A1 or C7A2 (if you get an Elcan)

theres more to an A2 than just an Elcan and the body, 6-Position stock, 3-sided forward RIS mount, optional AOTech Sight, buile-in mount for a fore-grip, and stock-sight-barrel cover-and grip are all green tinted to make a less oblivious gun in non-matte black enviroments.

Ok, here is my basic suggestion:

CA M15A4 Rifle (Full length M16 with removable carry handle) $500-650?
TM 4 Pos. Telestock - $60?
Gaurder Elcan - $170?
Then paint the forgrips, pistolgrip and telestock with Krylon camo sys. OD paint.

That will give you a very, very basic C7A2. It will not be the most authentic, however it is the most cost effective. If ou find a need for something triad-esq, Gaurder makes a decent knock off, though it does not look at all like the Colt Canada/Diemaco Triad. personaly, i'd avoid it. There isn't a good enough looking one to bother with.

If you have any more specific questions, feel free to PM me.


EDIT- Couple things.

A) By AO Tech, I assume you mean EOTech? as in the 511, or 512 siries?
B) IIRC EOTechs weren't issued so much as purchsed by PPLCI members? Any clarification on this?

1) Yeah, sorry i messed up a little there.
2) Again true, i missed that fact, but just searched it and found out that forces in-country have to buy there own new sights and Red-Dot's and Holograph seem to the the regular for anyone dealing with closer targets than 300m

[QUOTE=Goldman]
If you have any more specific questions, feel free to PM me.


Will do thx

where did you get your elcan replica or real one its hard to tell from youre pics im looking for one to finish my c8 project

thnx
tpr Leonard
task force afghanistan 01-09

I only know of 007 selling elcan replicas and the guy who sells pants at army issue in mississauga lol. both are about 200 bucks.

At 007 its about 400 my bad, but the guy at army issue is about 200.

Thought Id throw up a few pics of my C7A2 that I finished building a few months back. Unfortunately, the internals got screwed real bad a few games back so its on the bench.. AGAIN. :(


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/100_0371.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...e/100_0353.jpg

Zekk,


Wheres that triad mount from?

had it custom made.

I'm also looking to build a C7A2 or C8A2 replica, depending on which base gun I end up getting. I'm currently looking at a couple of used TM M4, but thinking I might prefer a full-length M16 model instead for the C7 (in that case, a new, but more expensive CA M15A4 rifle from 007). And the full metal body of the CA is more attractive than the ABS TM, even though the TM is a fine gun in its own right.

I'm not anal about making it a 100% faithful reproduction of the real steel, but I do want the green furniture (including the collapsable stock) that I will paint myself with Krylon OD, and I already have a reproduction ELCAN sight on the way. I'm not worried about small specifics like the TRI-AD mount, since I don't see myself needing accessories.

However, the one thing that I would love is to get the ribbed magazines to complete the look of the gun. Which would be the best brand to get, preferable in low cap if available? I would prefer not get hi-cap, because I hate winding (have that on my AK and ordered some low caps instead).

You'll probably be best off going with the G&P 130 Rnd mags.

I've got a similar project starting soon, picking up an M15A4 Carbine in a trade for my HK33K and turning it into the British L119A1. The project will be purely cosmetic with things like a heavy barrel and stock pad. Perhaps later on I'll cut a AG36 into the foregrip...ah plans ;)

http://www.rm45.com/l119/C8andAG36.jpg

Oh my Fugly... but I am attracted to it.

Yummy.. Cant wait to see your take on it Lerch

I'm sure this is a no-brainer, but I assume a PTW would be the best base to start off with if one were considering a C7/8, correct? Say a PTW M16 of some sort to a C7A2. Easy as pie, right? And a lot better than using a TM base, obviously.

Are there mods out there to allow for the ambidextrous mag-release and Selector switch? If cash wasn't a factor, how accurate could you get to the real thing?

ok if you are going for a C7A2 or a C8 avoid the thermold mags as we don't use them on either of those weapons and the only time we use them on the A1's is on parade. so if you are looking for something somewhat accurate stick with the STANAG mags.

Ambi parts are available on a few websites, but if you're going for a PTW you'll need some special bits for the C7A2...

Can you perhaps refer us to said sites with the ambi parts? I'll be picking up my M15A4 rifle at the post office tonight. I'd be interested in picking up some ambi parts to try to make the gun a bit more authentic.

http://www.airsoft-war4.com/photos/200607048274.jpg
Laylax - Evolution Part Set for Marui M16

http://www.airsoft-war4.com/photos/200607048275.jpg
Laylax - Ambidextrous Magazine Catch Button for Marui M16

Laylax are the only folks I know of that produce the ambi-parts for airsoft...

damn LERCH when i saw those pics i thought ya, ambi stuff would be cool then I looked at the price and for $100 I'll stay right handed.
Maybe in a few months but it would just be for the tacticool factor

Definately LCF, probably gonna pick that up in a little bit and install it with an arse load of other new parts...

FOURTEEN DOLLA!
http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=312

Yup, I found a couple dozen items from KA that have either a charger latch or the ambi-mag release. None with the enlarged bolt release or mag release though...

Thanks a lot. You guys are the best.

Not physical mods as of yet, but the first stages of the C7A1 and C8A2 are on the way...

Classic Army M15A4 rifle
http://photos-452.ll.facebook.com/ph...64134_5420.jpg

I had originally wanted to do a C7A2, but decided to go for the C7A1 instead and keep the black furniture

Tokyo Marui M4A1
http://photos-452.ll.facebook.com/ph...43020_4276.jpg

I'll be painting the furniture OD probably on the weekend. I'm going to hold off on the grip though. I'm a noob and don't trust myself taking apart a brand new gun quite yet. I hear that setting the motor back in correctly can be tricky, and I don't want to break anything in my new gun.

Need to get some quality slings for them now. Even though I may not need it, I may look into that Guarder TRI-AD knockoff. May not look like the real deal, but it should do the trick.

if you dont want to remove the grip and still want to paint it, try using tape around the edges and what not so you can spray the paint onto the grip and not get any on the receiver

The grip isn't terribly difficult to properly remove.. All you have to do is take out the motor, and undo two screws...

Back when I had an armalite I did this quite a few times and never once had a problem with my motor not seating back in correctly..

Thanks. I've watched the video on mechbox.com a couple of times now, and I think I'm feeling a bit better about doing this than I did before. I'd really rather remove the grip and paint it correctly than try to tape around it. I think I'll take the plunge and do it this weekend when I do the buttstock and foregrip.

Make sure you wash everything with rubbing alcohol beforehand then wear latex gloves thought the whole painting process...

Do 2-5 very light coats of OD, then finish it with 2 very light coats of the krylon non-shine clear coat

(This is assuming you're going to be painting it with the krylon camo OD)

Thanks for the tips. Yes, I have the Krylon camo OD and that's what I was going to use. I hadn't thought about the clear coat though. Thanks. I was also going to get a can of Krylon primer. I'll grab the clea while I'm there.

some clear coats leave a gloss. make sure you test your stuff on something else first.

+1

i still want to maker a c7 or c8 as a project gun but that would be a while from now

Just get some!

My L119A1 project is on a roll now, parts have been ordered and my gun is being shipped Friday :D

Well, since I blew out the spur gear on my M4 today (had to take it completely apart), it seemed like a great time to paint my furniture OD. It's looking pretty good and will look pretty badass once the gun is reassembled (once I get my internal replacement parts and upgraded spring).

I also painted the body flat black. I don't know, but I don't care much for the Marui grey color the gun was before. I look at it beside my CA M15A4 and it just looks wrong to me. That gray doesn't sit well with me... So now it's black.

So that should do me for a while. Huang said in the accessories section that he should soon have some metal C8 bodies, so I'll probably jump on that when they become available.

good i should be in for a C8 body too

Get in line bitches ;)

How many coats of paint did you use on your furniture? If it was just one, I'd suggest getting another one or two on, otherwise it'll start chipping pretty quick.

And then take pictures...

I put on 3 coats of Kylon Camo OD on the furniture plus 2 coats of flat clear. Ditto for the body, but in Krylon camo black.

Smart lad :D

Well, I just gave Huang a deposit on his next batch of metal C8 bodies that he should get in the next couple of weeks. Looks like I'll have my C8 sometime very soon and a TM body for sale.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...9/DSC05476.jpg

Heavy Barrel installed :D

Hey, since I am planning on getting a Ca M15A4 Rifle, to make into a C7A1. What do you guys think of this sight?
http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...roducts_id=327

It is the cheapest one I have seen and from a Canadian Store no doubt.

Well that's definitely cheaper. Better than a real one at $700-$1000.

No idea about ProArms, but I can get the Guarder Elken (replica, obviously) for $120US plus shipping (about $20) from Redwolf.

I got the Classic Army version, It's a bit different in that it doesn't have the useless rubber backup sights and it has a knob on the side of the scope to select like 12 different illuminations for the crosshairs (6 green, 6 red). Doesn't look as authentic, but I'm not that much of a stickler for 100% accurate detail either. I like illuminated crosshairs and I'll always choose functionality over cosmetic 'authenticity'.

That being said, it looks good, and I'm sure it would work out well. However, they don't have any in stock right now.

It's also not the replica of the C79 which is what the others are. The CA model is a copy of the Elcan in use by the USMC.

Yeah, the M145 or something like that. But like I said, I like functionality over cosmetic accuracy. I ordered a Marui tri-rail today. It's similar in function to the TRIAD, but doesn't look the quite the same. I'm ok with semi-accurate as long as I get the general look I'm going for.

are the samurai elcan replicas illuminated? The one I got a while ago wasnt illuminated, was easier to just walk the BBs to your target than using the damn thing.

The only illuminated Elcan's are the real C79 and the Classic Army M145.

I emailed the guy and asked about that elcan sight that I had posted and he said they were back ordered and possibly discontinued...

Yeah, I haven't found anybody else carrying them yet.

Try the Guarder ELKEN that's at Redwolf though ;)

Look at what I found:
http://rap4.com/images/scope/Elken_4...le_Scope_F.jpg
http://rap4.com/images/scope/Elken_4..._Scope_CU2.jpg
http://rap4.com/images/scope/Elken_4...le_Scope_6.jpg

The Elken Scope by Rap4.

My brother is a Rap4 dealer and can get any Rap4 item. Just shoot me a PM and I can get a price for you on anything rap4. I think I am going to pick the scope up for myself.

Interesting that they'd pick the same name Guarder chose...Elken...

I'm gonna guess that these are the same optics by the choice.

Well I am going to pick one up in the new year, so I will tell you what the quality is, being as I have used the real CF issued Elcan Scopes aka the C79 sights. I should be able to tell the difference in the quality of the optics.

Well, my C8 body is on its way. This should be a pretty hot-looking gun once it's all together.

Thats the guarder replica. The Crosshairs are wrong (ACOG rather than C79) and aren't quite the right length or diameter. They look ok from a distance, but I hated mine.

Crunchmeister where did you get your Elcan?

I bought mine on ebay. Was about $130 or so after shipping, if memory serves me correctly.

I like it. It's not an exact replica by any means, but the optics are very clear and I like that it's illuminated too. It's proven itself to be quite accurate on both my airsoft rifles (it was more the deviance of airsoft BBs than the scope), and even moreso on my Beretta Cx4 Storm pellet carbine.

your correct lerch rap4 doesent make anything they get the guns from a company in japan and there accesories from tons of airsoft and pb companys they just rename them as rap4 on the site

also there going to start selling cadpat bdu's and molle gear in february or so the rumor says

never knew they were making cadpat stuff

its mostly a rumor the owner KT has been announceing all kinds of new toys and gear

one such thing is the cyre mr-c we can only hope they make a airsoft conversion kit for it *crosses fingers* rumored to be out sometime in 2008

cadpat is said to be out in february

That would e sweet if they started making cadpat stuff. Maybe they could start to compete with CPGear. As they are probably the number one after market cadpat dealer on the market.

most of the bdu's they have are the american bdu design so they probly might just be purchaseing from frontenac then again there multicam is actually made by rap4 so who knows

im focused more on all the tac gear that will be produced in cadpat like vests and holsters and such

plus rap4 has olive furniture for armalites so i could make a basic canadain setup from one site :)

too bad we cant wear cadpat cloths on ftx's

dont you army cadets get that cadetpat or whatever its called?

Here in Ontario, Signals, get Cadpat, the rest of army cadets get OD.

thats odd i had been told any cadets wearing cadapt would be charged for wearing it since there not in the cf they shouldent have it or something like that?

I'm not sure about that part, I'm in the Governor Generals Horse Guards, , were a Scout amour division, what i have seen and what we know is that only Signals Cadets permission to wear Cad pat, and were all stuck with OD's

Only if there unit buys it for them. Daft idea to begin with, and the actual kit is shawdy.

whats wrong with the kit exactly?

Poor stitching, crap buttons, velcro-closure on the pockets, and the trousers are the BDU pattern, not the CF.

goodness thats pretty crappy

i think your dpm whoreing has reach nova scotia because most of my squadron wears dpm's