Hooray for Classic Army AGAIN! New G3/SG1 and AR-10
 

New G3/SG1 based on the Schwaben Arms SAR Offizier M41:

http://content.kapowwe.com/images7/2...-ca-g3-sg1.jpg

New Armalite AR-10! (see very bottom gun, you can make out the 'Rifle 7.62mm' markings on the receiver)

http://content.kapowwe.com/images7/2...how-ca-aug.jpg

Boring...... and once again CA delivers nothing new.. how impressinve...but how expected...Hopefully this one will work out of the box...

On the one hand, it's a little sad that CA is not putting out something more original. The CA33E was a hopeful step, and I certainly appreciated the G36E/KE, the CAK and the upcoming M41 (huzzar for stock metal bodies and uprated internals), but I'd really like to see CA produce something that isn't a variant of something TM or someone else has done. I'm sure there's a market for the FAL in Europe, for example. Then again, most of the really mainline rifles have been produced by someone, so can't really fault CA if they go with improving an existing line. Who's up for a metal FAMAS? :D

And I wish someone would tell me when the G3 and M41 is coming out!

Edit: Actually, we know that CA has experience in spring and gas rifles. Let's see them make an Enfield, I bet that'd be hella popular.

Youre right saint, individuality is key. You can make different versions too which make it special compared to the rest. for example, as you mentioned one with upgraded internals. Enfields as you staed oo would be very awesome.. something id buy just for display, not actual use.

A metal famas would be great1 even better if they could put in a version 1 or 3 gearbox, but i dont know if thats possible based on teh design.

An Enfield would be a lukewarm seller at best. The primary market for such a rifle is about to have a ban placed on the importation and sale of such guns. The idea behind the SG1 is obviously to appeal to those who want the TM gun but don't want the cheap, plasticy, creak-o-matic feel you get with it.

The AR-10 is hardly regurgitated. Last time I checked only G&P made a 7.62mm AR-based rifle which cost about as much as a CA M249.

Hope lies eternal in the human heart. Gooo Brits, we are all praying for you guy. :sad:

someone should make a new G3A3, a metal famas, and a FAL

yes we definatly need a new G3A3

I agree 110% on the FAL. I'm literally stunned no one's made any. There's been a few one-off customs and a VERY short production run by UN Company, but nothing serious. Maybe I'll get my importer to put a word in.

Regarding a new G3A3, get a slim forearm and regular buttstock and swap them on the G3/SG1. Instant G3A3. Or, perhaps CA has thought of that and will offer it as a variation of their G3 line. First an MC51-sized gun, then the SG1... Not a stretch to think they'll do it themselves.

does anyone know why TM stopped making em in the first place?

any ideas on price for the G3-SG1 cause if i can i would sell my TM SG1 for CA full metal SG1 cause i bet it would be cheaper then going FMU on a TM.

now it would be nice if it came with a R.I.S to.

What's the bottom gun in the top picture? It looks like it has the same mags as the CA33E.

its a CA MC51.

JAC made the FN FAL L1A1 back in 1983 or 84', pretty sure it was around then, before semi auto came out with the M16A1. In any case, it was a poor seller, and the gun itself internally was not as good as they had hoped (most retailers at the time told me that it wasnt worth my money). Poor performance issues I believe.

In light of that most Japanese manufacturers decided not to continue or even consider making FAL molds, especially after molds got incrementally expensive. Why make a 100 FAL's that no one will buy.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the latest price list from CA lists a CA53, sans price.

you now with all these new G3's being made maybe someone well make a HK79 grenade launcher!!!. that would so make my year.

pic of the Hk79 mounted on a G3A3
http://www.hkpro.com/image/g3tgs.jpg

Anything CA makes is a blessing. If someone else makes it beside TM, then in my head TM doesn't make it at all. With plastic bodies and virtually no extra accesories or upgrades out of the, I'd say TM averages about 4/10's of a gun when they produce some thing.

I was considering a G3 for a while. Now I think I may actually get it as I won't like a fool spending over double the price in upgrades.

Nice that they are expanding their product line, but nothing original at all. If they had come out with a Beretta Cx4 Storm, an FN FAL variant, FN 2000, FN SCAR, Chinese QBZ-95, SAR-21...... I could go on...

An affordable MG 42? SKS? A basic AEG uzi made of stamped steel? RPK out of the box? Electric M3 shotgun !!

Eat your muffins while they last!!

http://www.madbullairsoft.com/gl/pro....B.%20Launcher
http://www.madbullairsoft.com/images...L/images/1.jpg

Damn BSG and their popularization of a civilian carbine. :D

I thought I was the only one. :lol:

nah thats doesn't do it.
http://www.hkpro.com/video/HK79A1.mov thats my GL in action (its quick time)

TM is also limited in the metal they can put on a gun by Japanese law.

Then they could at least add some better internal materials....

Swear that's an urban legend put out by TM itself. :rolleyes:

I've heard that as well with Marui, yet Z-Shot/Systema is based out of Japan. I assure you that they put ample metal into their guns, body especially. It could also be that injection-molded plastic is cheaper, easier to produce, and gives more consistant results than cast zinc-alloy.

True or not, there is no way I'm backing a company that puts out a plastic gun that costs almost as much as a full metal one with upgrades. Yet people still think TM is the "smart" way to buy....? I think CA making what is a complete gun to me original enough. Lets hope they make some Sig's and mabey even get into the GBB market next.

Perhaps C.A. should make a UMP. The G&G one is iffy at best and the Star one is, well, not here. I personally am a fan of full metal and any internal issues are no problem for me to solve, but the appeal of Marui is in the diversity and availability. I bought and AUG, an AK and a G36 because noboby else made them then. Now, it's a different story.

Many guys say that Marui is the ONLY way to go as they are guaranteed reliable and to work out of the box. I'm afraid that just isn't so. Marui knows this as well. For a long time, we saw no new models from them. And why should they spend $$$ in R&D when they "owned" the airsoft market. Other manufacturers are making good products that are price competitive with better features. But only Marui can release 10 new guns in just over a year.

Don't get me wrong, Marui does in fact make a good product. But their products fail with consistancy that is, in some cases, due to our usage styles in Canada and due to cheap parts as well.

I would by a Marui again, if they had a gun that nobody else had. But today with the plethora of HK and Armalite's made by everyone and companies like C.A. and Star coming out with models even Marui doesn't have, it doesn't make much sense to stick only to Marui.

It' like the old farmer saying "I'm only buyin' Ford's. I won't touch those Chevy's or Dodge's.", even if Ford only made a bicycle. Doesn't make any sense at all.

My plans to build a full metal MSG-90A1 are on the fast track again. Yay for CA.

Aw man... If they came out with their own 55x series, metal out of the box... 8)

Ohhh... Sweet. A G3 that comes full metal right out of the box. Combined with the new Star mags, this definately has made my mind up.

Long live the battle rifle!

Well mabie some people like having guns that work EVERY FUCKING time out of the box. Of the last 7 CA guns sold in this area that I'm awair of 4 ended up in my shop not working IN BOX. 1 had to be returned to CA simply because I stopped short of completely remachining the inside of the metal body so the gearbox would aling correctly with the hopup. And I wonder why people are so impressed by pot metal parts... they snap as easy as TM plastic bodies anyway... But that is just me, I like what works everytime and that I know I'll do the full day with the same gun. As for pre upgraded gun... I realy don't care as I build my guns for a certain purpose and end up ripping everything out for systema or guarder parts. SO for my a CA or ICS or any other is a waist of perfect good cash as a TM m4 with metal body comes to about 50$ more expensive than a crappy army gun. I don't like to gamble with hard earned cash.

But in the end go ahead and buy CA, ICS and what not guns... keeps my airsoft addiction realy well fed with new guns and gear.

Also when is the last time CA put out anything NEW. They just copy everyting out there how lame.

But in the end you like to gamble with CA, I like things that work in a TM gun... we can argue over what is best for ages.

AFAIK the laws that extend to Japanese guns and their lack of metal stems from the fact that they should be unable to fire a real round. Apperantly there have been issues where people have fired (albeit only once) a round from modified airsoft guns, and the all-plastic manufacturing of the guns have basically made that impossible.

And CA does have its SEVERE drawbacks as far as aesthetics are concerned.. Majority of their markings on their guns are very very unappealing. The Armalite markings on the M15 series are pretty ugly, and the, while 100% accurate markings on the Schwaben Arms and the Arsenal AK goes.. I like Cyrillic on my AK..

Too bad TM isn't immune to that either.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...howtopic=50334

I don't quite understand why you feel the need to crap all over CA. They had problems and they ironed them out. They saw a market for certain products and delivered them. Disliking their products and favoring a competitor is fine, but your posts in this thread have been nothing short of vulgar and hostile.

Ya, I'm gonna have to agree with W.K. I'm sure you have alot of experience with guns Vodnik but maybe you are talking about older CA guns. They have since only made good stuff, their new gearboxes are solid, the weapons are very solid, and they do all work out of the box.

I have only TM weapons however I bought a Guarder Steel kit for my AK, CA makes solid guns but they definitely dont compare to steel. Eitherway any future weapons I get intending to be stock will be CA forsure.

TM hasnt made enough models, or progress with their weapons over the years that IMHO makes them deserving of being knocked off as the top dog. You cant just sit there, thinking you own the market you still need to develope new weapons.

Also TM plastic is total crap compared to CA metal bodies, which I doubt are pot metal probably aluminum.

I'm going to have to throw my two sense in here:

I recently bought a CA36, and holy fuck, what an awesome gun! Worked right out of the box, solid weapon all-around! I think when people refer to CA being shitty, they are comparing to older versions, but now thy seem to making damn fine guns. But everyone is entitled to their own opinon, and Vondnik has that right.

Cheers, Brent

The only real reason I see for people badmouthing CA is that it's true, CA guns have sucked up 'till very recently. But, people seriously need to get over their prejudices. Yes, Marui has a very good record. No, it is not spotless (as W.K pointed out). Yes, CA guns in the past were total shit. Are they now? So far so good with the CA36, it seems to be getting good feedback save a few minor problems (none of which can't be fixed easily). So I say everyone stops bitching that this gun is going to be a piece of shit, and waits for someone to actually get one and give us their two cents.

I personally think that these guns should be very high quality, keeping the CA36 in mind, but could be wrong if CA cheaps out on them.

CA doesn't cheap out. Their guns only seem to get better as time goes on. They improve every model they make. Take the MP5 for example, they have finnally made one with a working ejection port and a new hop up design with trademarks and none of this "made in Japan" shit TM has on their guns. It may be pointless but it is ORIGINAL and adds to the realism that TM "offers".

Which is another thing. How can TM guns be more realistic when they are plastic and say made in Japan, Tokyo Marui Co. Ltd.? Big deal is they have the real gun trademarks, they mean nothing in photoshoot whne you have made in Japan ENGRAVED in the side of the gun. I'm reffering to the Sig right now.

I hate it when I see new people told to buy a TM gun right away and end up wasting so much money in the end and they don't even realize what they did could have been bought for half if not less than that from CA. Then again, their fault for asking to be spoonfed.

I just can't get past how TM has not yet been blown out the window here in Canada. For example, I just finished fondeling a TM Sig 552 and CA MP5 A2. The TM gun creeks non stop, feels like bloody toy, weighs like half as much as the MP5 when it should be almost equal and just plain isn't satisfying to stroke. On the other hand, we have the CA, solid as a rock, a very realistic weight, no stupid company trade marks placed on the magwell or reciever, a gearbox that is solid as hell to the touch, etc. the list goes on for page. Yes they are different guns but the feel is there. One feels as if it were also most a toy from walmart while the other makes me think I just walked out of the armoury with something I shouldn't have.

It's up to the person though. Be my guest if you want to pay nearly as much for a toy as you would a true replica.

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Which is another thing. How can TM guns be more realistic when they are plastic and say made in Japan, Tokyo Marui Co. Ltd.?
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The real "steel" G36's are made of hight grade plastic composite with metal re-enforcement, so it is realy CA that has it wrong building a full metal G36.

A couple weeks ago I did a hell of alot of research for a M4a1 CQB purchase. It all came down two 3 companies: CA, G&P, and TM. I spent tireless hours on the net especially on Arnies and ASC to find reviews and the ups and downs that these companies have upon using their guns. Here is what I have to offer:

1-TM: although it is said to be reliable... it is just plastic. No one wants to play a sport dedicated to simulating the military with a plastic gun (only if your rich and would spend another few hundred dollars for a metal body). So TM was off the list.

2-G&P or CA: These two manufacturers were the remaining finalists on my quest to buying a CQB m4a1. Although G&P is said to have top quality parts and a REALISTIC outer image, it is just to damn hot out of the box + suppliers in Canada either didnt have it or was selling it at a ridiculous price.

3- It all came down to CA the final contender. After reviewing countless remarks from others who have handled and owned this weapon. I was impressed. Although CA has made crappy guns in the pass, just as skippy and Rumpel felt stated they have "kicked up their game". The guns that are being manufactured and produced at CA are not the same guns that was made a couple years ago. These have been refined they are more solid than before and shoots damn well out of the box. Who can buy a TM now that other manufacturers are doing what TM can never do? Provide us "milsimers" with a toy that closer resembles the actual thing then TM can ever make.

And so I went forth to purchase the CA m15a4 CQB from XE.

Therefor Guys and Gals CA has taken my trust (even more when i recieve the gun). This is only a point of view from a person who has done countless hours of research and this is the conclusion that I came up with. So please dont flame me.

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]You can never compare the manufacturing processes of a Real steel and an airsoft Toy. It would cost a whole bunch of money to actually produce an Airsoft toy that is %100 the same to the real steel counter part (as a matter of fact it would be impossible -in the internals). So to make the gun as realistic as possible CA builds a G36 of metal its as real as it gets in the airsoft world.

It is easier to work with polymer then metal, so I still dont see why they made it out of metal in the first place. And doenst airsoft use as close to exact replica's of the real thing, since when did they have to make any change's to the build of the gun when it came to desining how to fit the internals?

Dont get me wrong, the CA36 is a dam sexy gun, and I want one realy badly.

Same deal here, but I ended up with a CA33E just to be different.

How much did you get yours for?

Ummm, the Arnie's review left me under the impression that the CA36 is some sort of high quality polymer/plastic body, reinforced with metal, and as such has a nicer feel than the TM counterpart. Am I completely mistaken in this? Perhaps someone who owns one can clarify.

EDIT:
Yeah, its plastic.

Around $600 I think. I probably could have got it cheaper if I looked around, but I had the money and I wanted her. Now I'm very glad I have her. I will say I plan on upping the internals BUT it does outperform all the TM guns my friends have in stock form. VERY solid feeling gun, and the mag release/insert is just beautiful (took a while to break it in though).

Sorry forgot to ask also who did you purchase this gun from?

Warcraft games in Mission BC (hometown) I got him to order it in for me from WGC.

[QUOTE=Ace of Spades]I'm aware of which guns are really metal. The whole argument is usually directed towards Armalites because almost every company that makes a gun makes an M4.

In this case CA still beats TM's ass witha fibre glass body and metal cocking lever.

I believe Canadian suppliers should be bringing more CA guns at a reasonable price. XE-peter kang is doing it thats where i purchased my CA m15a4CQB from really good price also.

Dude, CA G36s are PLASTIC, same as the real thing. The difference between the CA G36 and the TM, is that CA uses a glass-reinforced polymer rather than the ABS that TM uses.

I have heard a rumor that the new CA Steyr AUG body is manufactured from the same polymer material the real one's made of. Wouldn't surprise me since they signed a license agreement with Steyr and the guns will be coming with full trademarks.

To heck with it, I would give half of my remaining nut to get ahold of one of those Korean SMG's that they used in Resident Evil II.