Which GBBR should I get?
 

Hi everyone, I am new to GBBR and really want to get into it due to the realism aspect. I want to get an M4 but can't decide between the KWA LM4 PTR or the WE CQB-R open bolt. Can someone with experience with either gun give me your suggestion on which is the better option? Or perhaps even another brand you recommend? Both guns are roughly $400 which is within my budget at the moment.

My vote goes to WE for sheer parts availability and options, as well as reliability and performance.

I haven't tried either of those guns, but generally KWA guns are harder to get aftermarket and replacement parts for in Canada. If you're going to upgrade the gun and heavily modify it, I'd suggest getting the WE.

I second Green's suggestion WE, FTW

King arms is way better than the we, it's 100% comparable with we but it has full trades.

WE all the way.

If you are willing to spend more money later on, buy the WE as aftermarket parts are readily available.

As for the KWA, if you want a GBBR that's fine out of the box and doesn't require/doesn't have many upgrades, buy the KWA.

Oh man. You definitely need to do more research. I suggest you go on this site and soak in as much knowledge as you can.
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If your budget is around the $400 range I wouldn't advise getting into GBBRs until you can possibly spend triple your current budget. WE or WA(western arms) GBB systems are gonna drain your wallet since they can be very unreliable stock.

Still if you really want a gun. Get the WE open bolt system JUST because theyre cheaper (close to your budget), the parts are easily accessible, and they work OOB (to an extent!). That's really it though for WE.

Looking past that, I would go WA or die. You want something that works OOB and will give you less headaches? Get an inokatsu or a viper tech.

Check out challenger airsoft and see what kind of deals on GBBRs they can give you. Best of luck.

Clearly you havent used the newer WE GBBs yet. They are perfectly usable out the box and last thousands of rounds. My SCAR, M4and M16 are all still going strong after about 10k rounds through each. Only thing I have changed is the hop up rubber and installed an NPAS in all of them.

Check for the Ra-tech version of the WE M4. It's already upgraded and by memory its around 500$ (My HK416 is this price, logic that the M4 too)

+1 on the WE (open bolt); all it really needs out of the box is an NPAS.

Is it going to need replacement parts down the line? Probably yes. But all GBBRs will. But the WE is good to go out of the box.



King Arms is a WA/G&P clone and as such isn't compatible with WE. Please refrain from spreading misinformation if you don't know what you're talking about.

400 won't cut it for a GBBR. You need that for JUST mags if you want to game it. I would go WE if you were desperate to have a GBBR.

But man if you're just starting out get an AEG and some mags it's cheaper. GBBRS are is a rich man's game.

I have 10 WE GBB mags. Which for me cost me R4500 (Rand) which in Canadian Dollars is $516... Plus the R3750 I paid for the gun (rand) which is $430

So thats around $846 for the stock standard gun and 10 mags. Then add all my accessories etc. Its close to $1000 converted.

But my stuff here in South Africa is a lot more expensive than it would be for you guys. But just shows you how much a GBBR will cost in the end.

400 should be your gun and it should be a WE open bolt. Then mags are about 40-50 each. Inotatsku, WA, Viper all have their own problems. WE will kick hard and shoot fun. I run a WE. I recommend a WE.

Another good option is a KJW.

Thanks everyone for the suggestion. I guess I should have also mentioned that $400 was just the budget for the gun and I do plan on spending more on parts and mags later. I do not plan on gaming with it until I get a few more things for it yet, but do want something that will work out of the box so I cab better understand the internals.

It looks like I am leaning in favour of the WE right now. But I have heard that their mags leak. Can someone let me know if they fixed that yet?

No as I heard they still leak (the STANAG one). But you can fix them, you can find how on the forum.

Gen2 Mags are supposed to be much better than first gen; I have a few Gen1 mags that leaks, bought conversion kit to Gen2 (20$ each) to fix that up, we'll see how this goes. It doesn't mean that they won't ever leak though, as most mag will eventually leak at some point.

KWA's pistol mags are pretty solid in that regard; Never had any that leak, and I have yet to hear about people having issues with them. Their LM4 Mags tend to have leaks though, but not as bad as WE's as they are often located in the valve. Just tightening the valve and/or lubing the valve's o-ring usually fix the issues.

I *think* WE's Gen2 Mags are similar in design to KWA's when it comes to the gas chamber and gaskets, so....

Almost every gas mag I've had, pistol, rifle, and PDW has leaked. TM, Marushing, KWA, KSC, Tanaka, it doesn't matter. The ones that haven't leaked are probably going to leak this spring.

In most cases the leak is easy to fix and stay fixed. The Gen 1 WE mags are a bit finicky so if you're buying new it's definitely worth the extra legwork to get Gen 2s.

WE's Gen 2 Stanags are great, as far as leaking goes. I've had mine since they came out earlier in the year and none of them have had any problems. I even stopped using silicone oil for the seals for the most part. I haven't gamed at all this winter and my mags are in storage. They've all held their gas since November to this day.

I haven't seen anything about KJW. Are they unreliable?

Kjw m4 by tanio koba is the most reliable gbbr out of the box but it's unpopular because of the weak recoil and rubber band bcg. Get the we open bolt system. It's more beginner friendly. My humble opinion: all gbbrs are a money pit and if you're not willing to spend, you're better off saving your money.

KJ's great, the popularity only dropped because the WE open bolt system is just as good but doesn't use thermold mags

Get the WE you won't regret it. They are excellent platforms that WE has recently made great improvements. And if it does break on you parts are exceptionally easy to find. Heck my WE is fully RA-tech upgraded and it isn't a money pit.

Get the Ra tech version of we. Gen 2 mags and u r all set. Worth money if u r looking for realism. And the ra tech not that bad in price

I love my WE PDW. shoots great and consistent, recoil feels great and is really reliable.

For the price, I was really impressed with my WE G39C, gotta start somewhere right?