Jumping into GBB world! NEWBIE Questions!
 

Well I've been playing airsoft for about 3-4 yrs and I've been using an AEG as my primary weapon but i want to use something new. SO thats why i decided i want to go into GBB world it seems very interesting. So i basically have a few questions.

1.When buying my first GBBR what should I look for?(Don't want to buy a really expensive GBBR since I just started and need to learn the basics

2.Any specific brands that I should stay away from? or I should pay attention to because there a good brand?

3.Any Newbie tips you could give me that will be helpful?

4.Or anything else that I need to know just tell me

1. buying a cheap GBBR is the worst choice you can make.
2. The cheap kinds. WE, WA, or KJW are good brands.
3. Clean your rifle before you use it, and after you use it. Read everything you can about the rifle you want before you buy it.
4. They're a lot of fun.

1.
- Avoid the really cheap clones of stuff (that's true for anything)...i.e. the ACM version of the WA/G&P platform.
- take a look at how much the parts/pieces for that rifle cost...vs...what amount of customization you're going to want to do (i.e. WA platform guns have zillions of extra parts/versions/etc..)
- take a look at how heavy, and how expensive the magazines are...and double check your budget (i.e. ProWin mags for the WA system are great...but cost, here, about $100/mag and weigh a ton)

2. Up to you...each platform has it's pros and cons. Search more and find out what they are.

3. Get the FPS adjuster for whatever system you get. Get a chronie to actually see how hard you're shooting. Really, really do research about the mags...

4. Plow through the big threads on gas guns...go to the Gas Gun Info forum and wade through the masses of stuff there.

WE Open bolt or KJW M4's are probably your best bet. I have 2 KJW M4s and fucking LOVE them.

Like M102404 said, you WILL need a FPS adjuster and a chronie to get it to game able levels.

Supposedly the KJW or WE Open bolt are the ones you want if you want to play out of the box and not really have to mess with anything. Other than putting in an "NPAS" kit to adjust your velocity so you're within field limits.

Note that FPS can vary widely depending on ambient temps (probably worse in Cali or other southern-ish states than for us Canucks where it's slightly cooler) and since it's a longer barrel there's more time for the gas to expand and transfer it's energy from expansion into the BB. Apparently some rifles have shot hotter than 450 FPS stock OOTB with propane.

gasguns.info is the site you want to go to for all the latest news and extensive knowledgebase they have.

If you ask me, I would probably say it might be worth it to look into getting some classic airsoft and going with a Daytonagun from AirsoftExtreme if you're in Cali and don't mind using a remote line and CO2/HPA tank. Too bad they only offer AK's (I'm assuming you're looking for a M4 GBBR). Otherwise look at the bigger picture and make a plan on what you want to get out of your GBBR system, whether it's a kickass sound/recoil and you'll hav fun with but also keep your AEG in the car as a backup, reliability and less blowback force, etc.

On that note - Watch out for the new arrival of Polar Star. may not be too much recoil but it looks to be an extremely promising HPA system. I know Ill have one for my G3 in the mail the day they release the G3 drop ins.

I would recommend KJW, I have a KJW m4 and the only downsides are the hop up and the price of more magazines. My hop up is now pretty much fixed, since I got a falcon rubber. The KJW also is more reliable than GBBRs; the only problems I have experienced that weren't my fault were the rubber band that is required for some reason for the action to cycle broke, which I replaced with a segment of bike tire inner tube, and the o-ring on the piston cup has begun to break.

There's no such think as Polarstar...forget you ever saw it on here...

There's not HPA drop in mechboxes available...they're not just waiting to receive their last parts to start the production run of V2's...

(i.e. stop mentioning it so the channel doesn't get flooded and put them behind on orders!)

WE closed bolt M4 is your best bet.

Stay away from KJ unless you like rubber bands.

All you have to do to fix the rubber band issue is get and old bike tire; bike stores will give you them for free if you ask.

@OP: Do not buy the N.P.A.S. kit if you get the KJW m4, get the cradle velocity reducer instead.

OMG!!! I WANT ONE!

If they release a drop in kit for the AK I'd be all over that. I suspect the recoil system could be made using something based off the EBB system (like the Modify Tremors kit) and somehow bleeding off a bit of the HPA into some chamber to move a steel weight back and forth.

The mags have dropped in price like CRAZY, pretty much on par to WE.


I cant wait for RA to release an updated NPAS, it worked so much better then the cradle, but the cradle has lasted me more then a couple mags lol

Whats wrong with the bands, the system works fine, bands are easy to replace for free.....



Shit your right...... YOU NEVER HEARD ME SAY THAT OP

I have to agree with talibanmilan on this one ... I run a WE closed bolt and added a npas kit and it works great... All you have to do is keep the brass tube greased up and the o rings on the nozzle greased up (this is done before and after a game when you should be cleaning it) and a small bit of oil in the mags and the gun will run flawlessly... I have been running mine since last summer and I haven't had any major or many minor problems at all, (actually the only problem I am having is my plastic spacer on my npas is starting to mushroom ... I think it's from the CO2 though), and I am rough with my guns too ... I have the tendency to not do a full clean once in a while and the gun still works great... WE's have nice hard recoil too (especially if you run CO2 mags)

Get a WE closed bolt system and a NPAS for it. Remember that gbbr's are not something you game and throw in the corner till nest time like an AEG. Gbbr's need love, and maintainance. Any gbbr you guy will eventually break down, you will have to replace parts periodically as they wear out. Make sure you get a brand that parts are common for. No sense buying a new shiny wall hanger cause you can't get it up.

WE is the king of gbbr innovation right now, no other company has producted so many differant models as WE.

The cheapest mags I have found cost $38, and I am not sure what the minimum number of mags I would need would be. Also when are they coming out with non C7 magazines? If RA-tech releases a working NPAS, I will be happy, but until then there is only the annoying cradle one.

so i know the WE makes pretty good guns what about WA or G&P ?

Basically the same thing:

WA is Wilson Arms, and G&P makes the WOC (Wilson Arms Official Custom)

That's WESTERN Arms.

Says so on the website. www.wa-gunnet.co.jp (At the bottom it says "Copyright western Arms Co. Ltd. All rights reserved").

My bad.

Im not sure on the other mags, but red wolf sells the thermal molds for $38, minimum order of one AFAIK.

Yeah the cradle one is annoying, but we will have to live with it for now. I am looking into having a steel screw made for the NPAS bodies i still have.

WA's have more complex internals/bolt - I highly suggest sticking with a WE closed bolt for the more reliable, easy to use/maintain and fun to shoot GBBR.

I am not sure how many of those I would need for a game, but it's going to cost me a lot.

A major aspect of GBBRs is that the magazines tend to be real-cap or very close.

This forces players (especially those coming from AEGs) to conserve their ammo and make their shots count.

Actually sorry if I went right to the point and sounded like a douche. I had to reply fast cause I had some chores to do.

As well as the mags (well for WE anyway) are close to loaded 30 rnd weight so there is another aspect to look at... I have upped my mag count to 11 for my WE but I only carry 8+1. The weight adds up but, but I am one of the few who likes heavy.. better exercise IMO.

You dont by all the mags at once either... that would cost a pretty penny... I slowly bought mags since I bought my M4 a year ago and just a month ago Ifinally bought my final one....

heavy eh? lol

get mags by the case (12). share the discounted cost with a buddy or three to keep the over all cost to you down.

yeah 8+1 is a typical load for me too even though my rig is capable of 12+1. I sometimes pack a couple buddy mags in upside down, open top shingles on the back of my rig. it helps to slightly balance the weight of my rig but remains accessible to myself as well as team mates. so really it's 10+1+2

[QUOTE=coachster;1479026]heavy eh? lol[/QOUTE]

I carry alot of other stuff ... I also carry an SMG (MP9 with three mags), pistol with 3 mags, plus 3 litres of water, rain gear, food blah blah blah... ;) lol I love lots of weight...

[QUOTE=coachster;1479026]get mags by the case (12). share the discounted cost with a buddy or three to keep the over all cost to you down. [/QOUTE]

I completly forgot about that.. if feel shtupid...

The mags are expensive, there is a lot more maintenance, and they are loud. Most importantly, if you love to spray in full auto, you will be quickly disapointed. As mentioned above, the mags are generally 25-50 rounds max. I don't think I've seen one that holds more than 50 (which doesn't bother me, but does others). You'll find that you need patience. Dumping a mag starts out fast and hard, but dies off after a few secconds to a slow chug. Semi auto, or small (5-10 round) bursts with a good pause in between is what you'll be limited to. Unless you don't care how it performs.

Long story short. I LOVE my WE Scar! It is a SOLID gun, but when I want to hose people down, I use my KWA MP9R. 22 RPS, and I can dump clip after clip without any loss of performance. I get increadible distance with it, and it very accurate. I use it in outdoor fields, and easily tag guy's 100-150 feet away. So if you have the patience and can lay off the trigger a bit go out and enjoy a GBBR, but if you're looking for full auto consistancy try an MP9 or an MP7.

Unlike everyone seem to suggest I start out with GBBR. Also handle& own PTW, and AEG before


In General,

Magna System (WA): If you're coming from a real steel AR-15 gunsmith or know it all, this is the best. The only thing new is the hop-up and nozzle. Both are easy to learn. The main draw back of this system is parts breakage. I suggest you use the lightest possible bolt carrier and run CQBR length Inner barrel to keep fps down. DO NOT use NPAS for Magna. It's a bad design, and a main source of headache.

• Most realistic (operationally) GBBR
• Lots and lots of parts available, avoid anything but steel (or AR-15) on moving part

WE AWSS (brass tube): Is consider the most reliable GBBR if you upgrade the internal firing to steel. Even tightening all the screws, the gun is made of pot metal and will eventually wear out. The biggest down side of this system is that it's not suitable for Full auto (ROF is relative low and you can cause the nozzle to freeze reducing efficiency)

WE Open Chamber (Open-Bolt): is the new WE system found in PDW, M14,G36, SCAR, L85, and now AR-15. It has significantly higher kick than AWSS system as well as higher ROF. All in all it is considered equal or superior to the AWSS in everything except nozzle reliabilty. The Nozzle is made of plastic instead of stainless steel. As such when a gun double feed it is a likely scenario the front nozzle will break, and replacement will be needed.

KJW (Tanio-Koba): is considered as out of box game ready GBBR. It uses thermold magazine (slightly larger than GI mags, some double mag pouch will not fit two, namely SDS (specialty defense system...US Army Contractor for gear) The gun is the most AEG compatible GBBR currently available. The biggest issue for the system is the rubber band breaking and lack of aftermarket support (compared to the rest)

KSC's System 7-Two is a similiar system to Magna only it's more reliable and more efficient in gas. However the biggest down side is the poor KSC hop up design (ball bearing as hop up nub)


What would I recommend?
WE Open bolt, mainly I suspect WE will become the Marui of GBBR. The biggest issue with GBBR like real steel pistols are that the magazines are not interchangeable. So far WE STANAG has the most platform compatible (AR-15, SCAR, PDW, L85, and Custom-shop M249) Although the parts are not prefectly durable, alot of parts needed to be upgrade are interchangable with other platofrm (ie trigger set of WE AR-15, PDW, SCAR, G36 are interchangeable)

I doubt that WE will become the Marui of GBBRs; I hear more bad things than good about their rifles.

Yes, but have you actually used one?

Then you don't hear alot. Seriously right now they have the most innovations when it comes to gbbrs and they are probably the most widely used.

awwww, you guys are too fast. I was going to say "I heard you have AIDS, ever used a WE?"

Had a great time with my WE g39. A++

-alex

You need to stop listening to THENOOBLORD's comments on it then...

...now and forever more.

Where do you guys buy your GBBR?

In Canada, California folks I suggest go w/ Airsoft GI as they have really good comms, Evike...not so much.

Any recommendations of WE M4 that has an R.I.S ?

The only WE M4 with an RIS is the CQB version. You can get a factory RIS and add it to the full length version if you want, but there are hindreds of after market rail systems, so don't feel obliged to get the WE one.

Has the WE release the Open Bolt system already?

Yes, they have open bolt M4 and M4 CQBR available.

A1 as well!

That is true, I didnt add that as we were discussing it earlier in the thread, and its not an M4.

If you desire the most realism from your M4 GBBR, then the WA Magna system is the only option. Internally they operate very similarly to real AR15s and externally you have the most options to customize how you want your receivers to look. G&P WOCs come equipped with full steel internals and are well priced for what you get.

Do you know any links?

Riceboy43 - do some research instead of of asking everyone to baby feed you dude. There are entire threads on WETTI GBBRs...

Sorry bout that.

Well I've been looking around and I think I'll get the WE M4 Version 2 with the NPAS and 2 Mags, but does anyone know an RAS that will fit?

Well now that I think of it 70% of the bad things I heard were about the SCAR and 25% were from THENOOBLORD.

To be fair, quite a bit of the Nooblord's complaints were about WE pistols, which truly are awful.

I know a lot of people with negative opinions on WE not just nooblord.

I'd personally suggest a KJW M4, but that's just me if you want a M4.

Like said before though, WE is the only company producing various guns in gbbr form. So they aren't that bad persay

Go look at Brian M's CF training review where he took bone stock WE's and put them in the hands of the CF to use and abuse like their real rifles. Something about 100's of thousands of rounds going though them in stock form speaks volumes about WE's.

I've had 2 issues with my WE PDW and neither of them stopped it from shooting properly. Hinge pin fell out and the bolt catch retaining pin fell out. I had an issue with the ratech npas but that wasn't a WE issue but ratech's as the nozzle had to be modded.


edit: for the lazy!

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=119707