M4A1, KJW or VFC??? wich one is better??
 

I am looking to own a M4 for target shooting, I am looking for both those models: VFC M4A1 Full Metal GBB Rifle & KJW M4A1, or others

Wich one shoot better and got a better kickback?? this is hard to tell on youtube, they look the same. Wich one is most realistic and more powerfull?

thanks for your help!

Hi there.

Basically, VFC runs on the WA/Prime system. This is the system of GBBR M4 used by much of the market, including G&P, KA, WA, Bomber, AGM, JG and many others.

KJW runs on its own proprietary system.


Pros of WA system
-Availability of parts and mags
-Multiple brands of parts and mags
-realism in operation

cons of WA
-System seems to be unreliable
-Almost all mags are expensive and many seem to have issues with leaking
-Considered to be the most expensive and least reliable GBBR system
-Suffers badly from the "cool-down" effect. Especially in the cold. (Thanks to Ballcancer for pointing this out)


Pros of KJW
-Said to be the most reliable system
-Uses AEG type front sets and stocks, giving you lots of options for inexpensive customization
-Very little "cool-down" effect.

cons of KJW
-Very little after market support (so far)
-The only mags that work right now are KJW "Thermold" mags (so far). Personally I really don't like the look of these.
-Is said to have the least recoil of any of the major GBBR systems





If you are open to alternatives, consider a WE M4?

@the guy : the KJW works well in the cold too... have been know to go thousands of rounds and not fail...

Right, forgot to add that. The WA system doesn't do well in the cold.

What is WE, another System or Brand??

I will use it indoor, so I do not consider the Cold temperature in the choice.

Power, Kickback (recoil), realistic feel, accuracy and reliablility, it is possible to have all those characteristic in one M4?

First of all Recoil and Reliability don't go in hand
Power isn't hard to achieve, w/ 360mm inner barrel
Magna System can clocks around 450fps, KJ 500fps, WE (depending on model) 550fps.

I wouldn't pick the WE brass tube system, simple on auto it sounds pretty sluggish with low rof.

VFC's are usually great AEGs, but their GBBR M4 is crap.

It's based on the WA/Magna system, BUT has different tolerances... In other words, it's got all the drawbacks of the WAs but none of the aftermarket support that makes a WA a good choice.
And on top of that, the way their bolt catch is designed makes it fail after only a few mags.

So... VFC shouldn't even be an option. The KJW is reliable although the kick is amongst the lowest in GBBRs.

FYI KJWs are currently only available with Thermold mags, BUT USGI mags (the "standard" M4 mags) will be coming out before the summer.

Depends on how cradle/ T-Hum takes it. It was delay so many times.

Sorry to hijack, but since it's been mentioned, anyone care to give info/impressions about the WE's M4A1 (Gen 4)?

Pretty sure WE are all still Gen 3, Gen 4 is supposed to be open-chamber

I guess you're right, seen one sold as Gen 4, I guess it's an error then.
I'm not very knowledgeable yet.

Thing is I'm looking "everywhere" for specs and reviews and I don't find much... So any input will be appreciated. thanks!

MP

Check out other forums like gasguns.info and arniesairsoft...lots of people are partial to the WE system on this site but the KJW and WA are more popular elsewhere. If your all about total realism go with the WA but I hope you have deep pockets as you'll be replacing lots of expensive parts.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6105/94324366.jpg

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Thanks for the links, will take a look there

Strangely Giole haven't turned these sites in my searches O.o (And I'm a pretty good googler usually :p)

I have owned a WE M4 (gen 3) now for the last year and can safely say that I would highly recommend this rifle. It has been solid, reliable and dependable. I have only had one issue (charging handle wouldn't move) and when I contacted the retailer i bought it from ( Imperial Airsoft in Calgary), they contacted WE for me and they sent me a totally new bolt assembly free of charge. Problem solved. Very happy customer.

Parts are much easier to get now and there are plenty of upgrade options, should you choose. As far as realism goes, I rate it as awesome, it has lots of recoil and a really tight "snappy" feel. It has a good stock hop-up, although I upgraded mine and the accuracy is great. Mag cooling is always an issue with every GBBR I have ever owned and the WE M4 is no different. Hope that helps.

Thanks buddy, it's appreciated.
I've just posted a thread (ASC Thread) concerning GBBR, asking for adivce from the community. You might want to check it out if you want to throw some more info :) I don't want this thread to deviate too much from its purpose.

Thanks, sorry for the Hijack!

MP

Never EVER buy the VFC. Bought one at first, fought to fix all liabilities, I ended up defeated...

If you do I'll chase you around with my G36 till you have leather instead of skin :P

I guess I'll never understand why so many people on this forum rave about WE. I've had one and I hated it...the mags are absolute rubbish. Honestly get a KJ, save the headaches.

I will give my 2 cents on general trend

WA Magna System... you will spend a lot of money to make it functionable, and the spend more to maintain it.
WE System... you will spend a lot of money to make it stop breaking, and spend a lot of hours trying to stop magazine from leaking
KJW...you won't have to upgrade to make it work, occassionally parts will break (usually plastic parts or rubber band)

Ive got a WE M4 Gen 3.. i upgraded the entire trigger assembly... i increased the recoil with a heavier buffer, and increased the ROF by short stroking the system while maintaining a functional bolt catch.

Like everyone said, don't even consider the VFC. Proprietary everything and crap quality, the GBBR M4 did a lot to tarnish VFC's brand name.

Hmm weird everyone I know that runs a WE has not had that much of an issue with the mags unless they have gone to hell and back. I have 9 mags and I only have one that leaks and that's because I forgot to keep gas in it and accidentally stored it empty.

I had 3 mags and two of them leak right out of the box.

Thanks for all your advices!, it's get clearer now!

i've lightly read the reviews on this but i stand firm behind my KJW...sure i own 3, but that's not why...as a real-steel doc i've noticed that the kick and tune of the KJW is far superior to anyother (besides the inokatsu of course...i own 1 of those too...it's my wall mount)...if i could trade any of my gbbs for anything else i'd have to trade 2 of my KJW variants for some new Inokatsu's...sure i'd have to start over but i have inokatsu's!...so best of the best is Inokatsu, followed by KJW because of excellent out of the box preformance, then WE (mind you i am speaking of thier gen3 stuff, with real-bolt action, not thier previous stuff...no bolt action) and lastly WA....and if you really wanna get cheap, but suprisingly very versatile....i'd go for VFC...those guys have converstion kits for all thier AEG's...so if you live in canada and own a shitty VFC AEG and you wanna scare the shite outta your buds, convert your m4 or AK into gas...

so to sum up all my previous banter...
-if you want reliability outta the box, with a seriously hard kick and good quality and reputation...go KJW
-if you want a beast and possibly get kicked off your field for mistakenly bringing a real-steel? go for Inokatsu (if you can afford it and import it) go Inokatsu
-if you like to tinker and don't mind spending a butt load of time and dough, buy the WE...but wait atleast til thier real-bolt action comes out for the scar (if the scar is what you're looking for)
-if you wanna go cheap and cansoft field ready...you like to tinker and you don't wanna spend alot of dough...then the WA is for you...

personally though, i like things that work outta the box and don't need much attention besides accessories...so i go for the reliable KJW...also, you can't go wrong using a marker made by a guy whose been making GBB airsoft and airguns since the 70's (Tanio Kobayashi...designer of the KJW M4A1 C8)

nein, Nein, NEIN, und NEIN!.
KJW -Relaible gun, reliable mag out of box. FPS config with 0.2g, propane can be ... 360 (Japan), 420 (Cansoft), 475 (Hong Kong)
Inokatsu -Money sink to start off, and the sink is leaky (you will have to continue spending money to keep it working. It has hardest kick out of stock, but any WA can do it with harder kick with RA-Tech Steel Bolt+Weight+Hardkick Buffer+Summer Recoil Spring
WE -Reliable (if you know how to pre-treat it) Problemanic (If you don't know how to take care of it), Magazine are known for its leakiness.
Other WA System (AGM, G&P, Jing Gong, King Arms, Prime, VFC, Well and goes on): Initial cost can vary, all will cost ALOT of money to upkeep it. While you have a lot of choice realistically for semi-reliable stuff you really only have 1 for parts (G&P) and 2 for magazine (King Arms, Pro-Win)

Personally I'd go with the KJW, I've own WE, AGM, JG, and now a KJW... the KJW has seen 1000's of grounds and the only thing that broke is the rubber band, $4 inner tube make 100 spares and they work great :)

Mags have never leaked, I've done COLD tests, I sat in my Garage in -20*c and shot 10 mags before the mag was to cold to hold for refill, but still shot :)

I'm convinced to buy a KJW! thanks for all your advices!

werd, kullwarrior...its soo true, the inokatsu is expensive, it was my fist M4 GBBR...i fell in love coz i went from real-steel to GBB...its true what kull says, its a nice piece until something goes wrong...it was mostly customs' fault for delays but its inokatsu's fault for making everything so GD expensive and made so dang far away...btw, love CBSA's (they make us feel so warm and stupid)...yeah, that's why my inokatdsu is a wall mount now, lol...yeah, KJW or WE...WE because if something messes up, it's not too far to hit ur local pro-shop and buy a part, asopposed to other variants (THIS INCLUDES KJW!)...KJW M4 parts inparticular are hard to find, effing crazy difficult to remake and nearly impossible to import from china...mind you Tanio Koba understood all this when he designed the marker...it was made by the worlds leading (besides Marlin) airsoft/bb marker maker and designer...thus, it can't go wrong...

well until CBSA and our Gun-Control Gestapo figure out what some of us already know...

Be prepared to pay 75-80$ for mags (in-country).
or find them...

out of country they are less expensive ;)

found kj m4 mags from ehobby asia for $40 ea. plus shipping

kjw m4a1 on the go now, should have it on friday or so!!

in the meanwhile I bought a WE M4 CQBR and I'm totally satisfied too, nice kick, nice look, good accuracy, and can choose between Co2 or propane. I have download the maintenance guide from a member here.

heres a pics of my WE M4 CQBR Co2/Propane version:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4568/79784949.jpg

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Did you took in consideration that customs fee may apply on these? Plus, they're all out of stock right now, ehobby, wgc, redwolf...

He doesn't need to. I've been buying from Ehobby and many other Chinese sites and never had to pay customs once.

well you MAY pay some custom fees...but from what I read in the past...It seems that there is almost always custom fees on american products but almost never on asian products...dunno why !

just received my KJW M4A1, really nice gun, nice finish, shoot just fine, really accurate, hard recoil, magasine design is really strong and nice bb loader! the front bayonet holder works for real with my M9 Knife.
worth the price!