SRC Gen III?
 

Hey guys,

Before I order a SRC Gen III M4 I have a few questions. I have heard mixed reviews about SRC quality, but I couldn't quite find any definitive answers on the Gen III series. How's the quality?

One of the big attractions is the full metal body, which I couldn't seem to find on G&G alternatives, but how does the overall quality compare to G&G or other offers?

Also, on 007airsoft the velocity listed is far too high for indoor use. Is there any way to adjust this? Or would I need to buy another spring?

Thanks

(Oh and for those who are wondering I will be ordering this on my 18th birthday in a week and a half, so dont worry)

Unfortunately, you can only get a hand full of reviews or info on the SRC M4, other than what 007airsoft provides. Trust me, I have searched for days and days.

In terms of velocity, yes you would need to downgrade the spring.

My choices come down to SRC M4 R.I.S and ICS M4 S.I.R... I'm am more inclined to go with SRC for a first AEG because it is a little more affordable plus for $50 more, Ken will throw in a battery and charger. The gun is also metal so that is a big plus.

Yeah, the price is definitely good, any idea on the shipping time to Toronto? I couldn't find any info on his site.

Never mind, found that shipping is 3-4 days, which is really surprising.

If I were you, I wouldn't cheap out like this guy did ^^

I would do some more research. I have the 2010 ICS M4 with M&P trades, and this thing is amazing right out of the box. I believe it shoots around 340 FPS stock. But put in a Tightbore inner barrel and it jumps to like 370 FPS or something crazy.

Well I kind of have to cheap out, and TBH, a $590 dollar gun doesn't seem cheap, at least to a student lol.

Where did you pick yours up? I've been trying to find someone to get me verified but no reply as of now, so no classifieds :(

the one your talking sounds like a gen III Pro, the standard Gen III, i believe has the tinted plastic lower. I have one of those (tinted lower) ones, don't mind it at all. i think i overpaid for mine, but stuck with it now. it seems to be pretty sturdy, one issue is that all the models have a full seal cylinder, so a standard length M4 will wear quicker due to the piston smacking into the cylinder head with out a bb.

if i could do it again i would probably buy a ICS. i like the idea of a quick change upper mechbox. allows you to change the spring nice and quick for different fields, or change the entire upper mech box and front end to go from M4 to M16 length.

but as i said, nothing wrong with my SRC, i changed the inner barrel to an m16 length, with a silencer, and the hop up rubber and nozzle, and it seams to work pretty nicely, i haven't gamed it yet since the mod.

I did not cheap out. I have not bought anything yet. However, I guess brands speak louder than anything else in airsoft. Like everything else I guess. Like I said I have done tons of research and the SRC that ken has has more FPS stock than ICS... However, I did learn by reading these boards that FPS is not the most important thing

This is correct. It is more important to get a quality gun, with easy to find parts, which comes externally solid, than to buy a gun which has a high FPS.

SRC is TM compatible.
ICS is not, but has a large parts market... but at a price

changing a spring is not hard to do on a standard mechbox. but i wouldn't want to do it every time i play. if you have a couple of fields with the same gun rules no need for quick change springs.

my gun with a S90 spring and a bad air nozzle (looked like the previous owner tried to bore a bigger hole in it with a pencil) shot at around 300fps, and i still used it fine in outdoor games.

slower guns make you work for your kills

Yeah, sorry I didn't even realize the difference, I was talking about the pro version. Does anyone have any links to some ICS guns in Canada?

The SRC looks pretty good, I'm not too worried about the spring issue, as I'll probably stick mainly to outdoor.

Actually Bareass TM parts can be compatible. I read it somewhere, however I don't have first hand experience.

@ Mak11 Brands do speak loud because a brand displays they're quality and they become known for it. FPS is not everything, I was just giving a benchmark.

@BallsofSteel I didn't even know that the price of the SRC is $590. Maybe that's just me, but that seems kinda steep for that.. If I were you, with that money maybe $100 more I would get a Classic Army, but that's just me.

Like I said, do some more research on other guns before setting your mind on SRC. I would choose ICS over SRC anyday.

Well I'm just getting my prices from here: http://www.007airsoft.com/products/h...16-gen3pro.htm

It's 510 for an M4 with an RIS, I was just adding in the cost of the battery and mag, and if I went barebones it would only be 450 for a standard M4.

Right now I'm just going by the suppliers I know, and none that I know of carry ICS or CLassic Army guns apart from 007airsoft, but the ones they sell are "not for citizens".

Get age verified, and you can view the retailer section on the forums. There you will find pretty much anything you could possibly need and for decent prices.

i was giving you the example of the standard Gen III, because i own one. i've never used or seen the pro, but i'm pretty happy with mine. the plastic body doesn't feel too wimpy and it has good internals. i changed the nozzle and now have 100% seal. like i said it has a full seal cylinder in it stock, which is not right and can cause breakage, but didn't for me, and now i have a longer barrel.

SRC is making a good name for themselves. and is making a good gun.

but honestly i would look used. at the price that your saying a new SRC is going for, you can get just about any gun in stock or slightly upgraded condition.

try and get av'd. i bought mine before i was av'ed, and it was a big mistake. I think the seller took advantage of my noobness. while it is a good gun, i could of had better, and in better condition for the same price.

Yeah I'm just waiting now to hear back from age verifiers. I just realized that mach1 airsoft sells ICS, VFC and classic army guns, and they're also located much closer than 007airsoft.

i would hold off until you are AV'ed

Yeah, you could do what bareass said. It is true. However, I find that in the classifieds you either have guns that are highly upgraded and cost upwards of $700+ or you find guns that are stock but they are not exactly what you are looking for and may need to do a few upgrades.

In the end I see it this way... If you can get a good quality gun with good externals and decent internals like SRC... why not? you can get the model you want, new, and you will not get over your head when you are a new airsofter buying a gun that has tons of upgrades which, honestly mean nothing because you have no idea.

Don't get me wrong... I may still go for an ICS or even VFC, I can afford it.... However, as a first AEG I rather buy something more affordable, because you don't even know if you will get to use it as much. Take me as an example. I joined this site in 2003 and I was ready to go... then life happens and almost 8 years later I am back and still with no AEG, but I am more serious about getting into airsoft this time around. School is done, etc.

i would still wait to get verified.

mak11 may not like what is there, but the perfect gun might be sitting there waiting for you. either way, if you wait and don't like what you see, you can always buy the new gun. either way, not much going on right now in terms of games, so no use rushing into it just yet. as long as your ready for your first game your all set.

honestly, if i could do it all over again, knowing what i know now. i would have bought a stinger S34P from crappy tire, played my first game with it (my first game was a CQB game so it would of been fine) and got verified. then buy an AEG... what ever you do. buy what you buy and then stop looking... it'll piss you off every time!

Yeah, I hear that, buyer's remorse is a terrible feeling to have. I hate waiting, but I guess I'll have to. Thanks :D

You do know... a BNIB full metal ics is only $350... not even close to $500...

Should check this thread as it's pretty up-to-date still....
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=93431

*note: it doesn't list every gun available though*

I'm sorry I don't have the time to check as I'm studying for a physics midterm, but were those prices the averages for the type of gun? Or were they single sales? Because that list was last updated 4 months ago, and it could have been a one off thing. Right now, just looking at Mach1 airsoft, a VFC sopmod m4 is $600 before tax. How's that stack up to the classifieds?

The price I stated for the ICS isn't from the classifieds, it's sold in the AV retailer section....

In general prices in classified should be much cheaper than retail too... *And tax is included at least for the ICS for $350*

There are VFCs in classified, but no SOPMOD right now, afterall it depends on timing, and when individuals putting it up...

So you'll need to get AV'd to check every now and then.... For $500, you can get a G&P full metal if you wanted in classified... *tax and shipping included*

Damn, looks like AV is definitely the way to go, well, time to be patient I guess

Hi,

For the SRC's here are the 5 differences between the Gen III and the Gen III Pro:

Gen III has tinted glass fiber lower receiver, Gen III Pro has aluminum lower receiver
Gen III has M120 spring, Gen III Pro has M140 spring
Gen III has 6.05mm tightbore barrels, Gen III Pro has 6.03mm super tight bore barrels
Gen III has steel gear set, Gen III Pro has helical cut steel gear set
Gen III has regular motor pinion gear, Gen III Pro has CNC steel motor pinion gear.

For these 5 upgrades, you are only paying $50 more.

We are required to put in M140 springs into the full metal Gen III Pro's, otherwise they are prohibited for import (metal lower makes these replica firearms if shooting lower than 430fps).

For details of what internals the Gen III Pro's come with, please see the STANDARD FEATURE list on the top of this page here: http://www.007airsoft.com/products/h...16-gen3pro.htm

I don't know the detailed specs about the ICS guns in Canada, however, I do know that to accommodate the split gear box (which is brilliant by the way), the receivers of the guns are made to be longer than the real size. If you are not an avid gun collector though, you shouldn't mind the difference.

Ken

Dam that SRC sounds pretty good..

Yeah, I wish I would have known Ken was going to be carrying these sweet Gen III Pro's before I bought a tinted HK416 from the first Gen III line. I've dumped over $150 just to upgrade it to a metal receiver and tightbore barrel and now you can get all this and more for just a mere $50 bucks.

I regularly alternate between my ICS M4 and SRC 416 when gaming. I can attest that both are extremely solid and reliable guns. You can't go wrong with either choice. The ICS split gearbox and spring release is genius, however the fact that these new SRC's have so many upgrades make them extremely appealing.

I guess the choice is now easier^^^

I think I will be able to sleep at night without thinking which one to get. :)

I like both guns (ICS & SRC gen.3) over G&G. G&G needs to step it up with their internals, other than that G&G is a good gun.

I love my 416 from the gen iii pro series. I highly recommend it to anyone looking to get a good hk416 without major hurt to your wallet :) only beef I have is that the take down is a pain and one of my tabs broke on the upper receiver.

@Ken: do you carry upper receivers?

Anyone got any opinions on the quality of VFC versus SRC pro? They seem to be around the same price, and tbh, after going through the gear classifieds, if the gun classifieds are anything like those I'lll be buying new anyways.

Honestly, wait until you're AV'ed. I've not handled any SRC guns myself, so I can't speak to their quality (some people seem to like them quite a lot, others don't), but either way you will have so many more options in the AV sections. If you find nothing else that you like or something cheaper, by all means, the SRC is still available to you brand spankin' new.

One of the big bonuses about the classifieds is that most guns you buy there come with all sorts of goodies. Have you looked at the price for brand new mags? They are quite pricey if you want a few. Lots of guns come with plenty of them, though...

I like both but SRC has better internals than VFC. Get the full metal SRC's from 007airsoft those are awesome guns...

For me I like the SRC, but with it, I have some difficulty to remove the motor because I buy it used and the grip was loose (A screw is missing ) and somme scratch with my RIS so the front is loose too.. But the overall ! Love too shoot with it !

Thank you!

I have been doing research for about 6 days now on this gun, only to find minimal information on the net, only to click on links to ASC, but still nothing for spare upgrade parts. I just purchased one the other day and i should be getting it this week hopefully.

I got the full metal pro version and i had no idea of the difference, glad i got it tho, I guess listening to the guys works sometimes haha.


"Just wondering" what would be a good motor to keep on hand in case something happens to it and piston. Just hard to find any info on it and parts to get. more so, good parts to keep handy in case something brakes. If you have one or know anything about it, I'd appreciate the information. I don't live close to any parts guys, so it's better to have some surplus at home specially if im going to a game and something goes wrong.

Im having a hell of a time trying to figure out what LiPo will fit in this thing without using a peq box, i want 11.1v ...

Also to the other posts about the ICS guns. (ICS) is a good reliable gun. I have one fully re-done and works like a charm now.

This will be my back-up gun.

cheers,

Personally I say VFC hands down just for the super sexy externals. SRC GEN IIIs seem to have very nice internals on paper but I have no experience with them.