Village faux/Fake village
 

I had this idea, even passed it by Drake, would anyone be in support of having say a "village" for airsoft? When I was talking to Drake, we arrived at a conclusion: it'd be nice, but we need the land for it. This is just something I want to ask the Quebecois crowd; but would you play in that if it existed?


By "village," I mean simple structures such as 10'x6'x7' cobbled together by 2x4s and ply wood, maybe be two levels high (some of them) spaced apart with windows, maybe add a defense or two.


I know of course it'll take land and the whole 10 yards, but I'm just curious: quoi vous poncé de ça?



*disclaimer* im not saying i have access to the land or the materials

Lets build a skyscraper!

*disclaimer* im not saying i have access to the land or the materials

Maybe you should put this in Quebec section, or Ontario section, or wherever you are.
I don't understand why people post location-specific stuff in the general sections.

Are you asking if someone built a place for Fibua would people attend?

héhé bonne idée c'est sure que cest le fun mais même si cest des 2x4 ! mais tu conais le prix d'un 2x4 ? c'est toute un projet de malade ça :)

Voodoo paintball has a village... And we play there often.

I didnt really know where to put this...

and two by fours cant be that expensive up here


Drake told me that, but personally i dont like playing in paintball fields

There's no question to ask. Of course we'd all love to play in such place.

Hell I was in Disney World this summer and saying "holy fuck that'd be awesome to play here!" (there's a section in Epcot with recreations of various places in the world, including Morocco which would be awesome).

*Disclaimer: I don't own Disney World

Well theres a positive...

Well just for example I build a new deck last summer its 17' by 15'. Mostly 2x4's for braces and 1x6 for planks. The deck cost $1700 in lumber. Does not include harware. Lumber is god awful expensive. You will need pressure treated to survice QC weather.

I figured pressure treated would be the way to go


Jeez didnt think itd be that expensive for 20 something sheets of plywood

Plywood's cost mostly depends on the thickness and if it is veneered or not. Assume about $15 per sheet at least. If all you want to so is build a barricade that stands it could be done for a lowish price. But as soon as you want to inside the structures you have to over build and have them inspected and what not.

There's a few already, but in paintball places...

Mirabel Paintball (quite nice, but small, linear, and @#"/$%? staff who ended the games about 2 hours early),
Vodoo Paintball (never personally played there, but apparently it's great),
Xtream Paintball (small, linear, decent for small skirmishes, service is ok but if paintballers are coming expect to be pushed away),
Maxpaintball (never personally played there, but apparently it's ok for small skirmishes and that's it)

Unfortunately building such setup (for airsoft only) would cost too much versus potential revenue. Unless someone can convince Peladeau to give us 1M$ (that is after the Nordiques are back, obviously). Unless someone has contacts to get the equipement at cost price, but even then it'd be a fair amount.

The british got this:
http://www.barnardmicrosystems.com/a_Copehill_Down.jpg
If anyone can get such facility for us, I promise I'll be your slave till the end of times.

Laisse Péladeau ramener une équipe de hockey a Québec first off all !

Thats it, what we need to do is run a Quebec lottory pool. Unless millions are won proceeds go to building "dream" (depending on amount won) airsoft field.

The village at Voddo paintball is very cool and quite big . like this one
Mais jai jamais vu Max-paintball.

Thats be nice... And i didnt mean necessarily plywood, bamboo flooring would be useful too...

Holy fk, just imagine, a 1v1 sniper battle in there...

Guys... this is just next door.... in new york!!!! Now please, try not to drool too much... I am planning on maybe going this year!!!

YouTube - The Green Mountain Rangers : Operation Pine Plains 3 Airsoft Documentary Part 1

A village? Why stop there?

Why not build a hole town, with a 7-11 and a gas station etc?

Hehehehe

The LZ has a village....and then some. This is nothing new.

Are you in Quebec? we have one place and its at a paintball field. personally, i dont like getting paint all over my stuff


I could make a 7/11... just need someone to be the attendant (LOL)


And the village wouldnt be as big as that british one, maybe a good 9000 square feet or so (300x300ft)

300 x 300 is actually 90,000 square feet!;)

i forgot a zero...shat

I understand your point, no one likes paint on their gear... but outdoor fields are really not that bad since rain washes off most of the paint.

I prefer playing in a large, well built village shared with paintballers over a airsoft exclusive shanty town. However, I agree that it would be a dream to have something similar to the link posted by Barbie... hey! we're still allowed to dream.

Fuck le 7-11 !!! moi personnellement j'aimerais mieux un Wallmart !
C'est plus pratique ! un coup mal pris on peut toujours y acheter un Clear soft !
(you understand french right ?)

a cheaper way to build buildings and give it kind of a middle east look is pallets than cover then with burlap. They did it out here at the field and it looks pretty good.... its not a scale village or anything but it is still alot of fun to play in.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/...ec2366340f.jpg
field by , on Flickr

its not pretty this is an old picture they have done alot more since than. How ever alot of potential. They do have a fort built up on the hill and a few other pieces. Those are mostly plywood but for smaller structures this method works well.

Fuck the 7-11! I personally would rather a Wallmart! It's more convenient! suddenly taken ill you can always buy a Clear app!.... I think google translate fails. Stop buying clear apps!

Christe un walmart?! ce de les etats!
Zellers, la te parle!

Thats almost exactly what I had in mind minus the burlap

Just to add to the list, Paintball Commando Rive Sud (Ste Julie) are building a town with some interesting buildings (they're using sheet metal too) but so far its small-ish (so's the field as a whole, but its sorta nice). Downside is they only accept BioBBs.


@SniperSam, all the locations listed above are in Quebec. The LZ is located near Ottawa, about 3 hrs from Montreal. It's a big detour but Montreal-area players do play there once in a while.

But as I already told you, the primary issue is the field itself: even 300x300' isn't very big (~ 3 city blocks worth of surface, maybe just a big bigger than the Mirabel village). But even 90,000 sq.ft @ the bargain basement discount price of $1/sq.ft is still $90k, nevermind building materials, equipment and labour. And you need a staging area and parking and stuff, assuming this plot of land is out in the middle of nowhere and you don`t need a buffer arond it to stay out of the public eye, so you have even less than 90,000 sq ft to work with. You'll probably have to get an environmental impact study done before you can start doing anything, too.

Putting up plywood structures is the easy part.


Zellers is about to become Target.

I came buckets.

Gotta get my spoken english more fluid and I'm in. Seriously.

Ft Drum MOUT facility.

It'd be fun playing there but getting our guns (and some of our ITAR -shackled gear) back home would be interesting to say the least.

Nobody got my "hole" town joke, and yeh Girock I got what you said :D

I caught it. I just think trash should stay burred, so I ignored it :P

Its not that bad actually.... except for the Software part :)
suddenly taken ill you can always buy a Clear app! = and the worst case if you have any probleme with your gun you can always get a clearsoft);)
because clearsoft is a english word and I dont use a proper french :(
(so as my english )

if you want to go talk to the force recon boys they go every year.
but from recent reports it has been canceled this year due to training exercises (i mean military take priority on a military mout site)

personally am trying for Operation Irene
DVD trailer action packed
YouTube - OPERATION IRENE V - The Last Stand at Zussman


Walk through
YouTube - Airsoft GI - OPLCMSS Presents Operation Irene - First Day Introductions

From the video, I prefer the Pine Plains mindset than Irene's. Although obviously I'd play at both places if I could.

Irene is based on the actual operation that took place. (blackhawk down)
usa vs rebel forces
more pyro and tanks involved in irene

I understood and I agree. I propose that we build a HOLE CITY instead!

hasn't that joke been made already?
but in all seriousness there are a few fields that have small settlement type things.
yeah some may be paintball but they are well maintained.

Keep beating, the horse isnt dead yet.

that hole thread was a bunch of fail.

but honestly for those of you interested in irene let me know, i'm attempting to bring down a squad sized group for the rebels (12people usa squad)

From what I've heard, Seriously cool place to play..

seriously bad people to play with... I'm talking terminator level.. "I can't feel it"

That and egos the size of planets.. spilled out right there in the field

Just curious... where are you talking about? :S

terminators, as in don't call their hits

Pine plains

and Irene

I've spoke to a few guys who have gone... awesome venues filled with crap players..

I'd rather play at a crap venue filled with awesome players

So basically from all of the replies, no

That's a Buzz-kill, I did notice that that Mortar team didn't even flinch. Which seems kinda unlikely.

I need to travel to france!

There's a team there that host an OP every year in a real live small town. They give the profits to a foundation for restoration of a castle.

Everyone in town agrees to stay inside and close all windows or go away for the weekend.

The town becomes a big play ground for airsofters for a day!

It looks epic!

Trouver un terrain ca se fait relativement facilement.

Trouver du materiel gratuit c'est facile ( je connais des compagnies qui paye pour se debarasser de leur palette de metal en feuille. En deux ans un collegue de travail s'Est construit un chalet 20 par 30 2 etage en bois de pallete))

Le VRAIS probleme c'Est que comme d'habitute c'est toujours les 2 ou 3 meme con qui vont se tapper toute la job.

what do you mean? everybody would love a village to play in, we're just refering to ones that already exist to give you referance.

I'm still heading down. its worth the experiance

biene moi je sais comme quoi a faire, pi ce vrais que les companies s'existe, pi ce vrais aussi que ca prondre beacoup de l'argent

If ya'll are lookin for a big arse event on a large cool place to play.

Look into signing up for OP MRIII this year. Good times will be had.

Someone setting up a business could do great things with used shipping containers for a relatively low cost.... costs would be covered relatively quickly for something sturdy and modular that can be easily setup for 2 stage buildings.

But again, that'be possible for a business only due to the base investment needed.

Just sayin'

Well what else would be pretty sick...if the "building" Conker is talking about was say out in one Quebec's many open fields :P

Containers.... never thought of that, would be interesting to do

I Imagined something like this... Hell if it did come true... I'd live there! just to fight that is... lol.

yeah just like in the USA...the army uses containers as a ''base'' and then cover it up to fit the scenario

That's exactly what gave me the idea :P Although the army (well actually that's the Marine Corps) uses several hundred containers and have built a complete city.

http://www.peostri.army.mil/PRODUCTS..._pendleton.gif
http://www.peostri.army.mil/PRODUCTS...ibuildings.gif
(That is the village)

THIS is the city.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010...containers.php
And the cost was above 17M$... that's a different scale, lol.


All in seriousness, adding like 5 containers or something like that on an existing field to make a FOB would be realistic. A village? No, unless someone has nothing better to do with 100 000$.

holy fuc*ing jesus christ !

suddenly pallets have a lot more appeal to the idea... with sheet metal :D

Are there any abandoned mining towns up north around Sudbury because abandoned mining towns would work well, of course, you'd have to make sure there's no hazards first.

shipping containers are bloody expensive
shipping pallets can be found behind any walmart late at night (the blue ones will have you chased, the regular ones are fine)

This is in Quebec -_-

Around Montreal there's the Village du Père noël !
I bet its not that busy in the summer time ! :)

yeah...no

Kitsault, B.C. would've been a pretty good location if it hadn't been purchased for some obscure development.

With all of the budget cuts in BC within the last few years, there are schools and nursing homes sitting vacant all over the province that are ripe for the picking, and would cost less than what it would to build a town out of shipping containers.

you guys do realize this is for the province of Quebec right

you do realize canada extends past quebec right? :P

Found some abandoned buildings that could probably be bought and converted to CQB airsoft use in Toronto.
http://www.aotu.ca/buildings/index.html

Well building a town would cost a few milions... obviously not. We're talking (pretty much dreaming actually, as it probably won't happen anyway) about a few "buildings", maybe something like a small FOB... not a town.

If only I could win some dozen million of dollars... I'd build MY own personnal exclusive airsoft field...but I just keep dreaming :p

Would the Whitby Psychiatric Hospital be a property to turn into an airsoft field? I know we're dreaming and all but if we did have the money, this would probably be a decent property with 50+ buildings, walls to keep out the eyes of nosy neighbours, and lots of places to explore.

link to some pics:
http://www.infiltration.org/abandoned-whitby.html

This kind off place looks awsome ! it will be perfect for many hours off playing!
And possibly possible to rent ! Gotta ask ..... its a bit like the Mill at Beauharnois neer Montréal . many scenarios possible ! specially if there is a outside field around it ! I guess a bit cheaper to rent than building a whole village :)

wow thats neat! I love old buildings and shit like that. Always wanted to go explore the one on the coast as well.


Airsoft in there would be fun, how ever so many things would need to be cleaned up first to make it safe.

The idea of shipping containers was only for a business. As a community effort, only something out of plywood or recuperated material is realistic, and even then it would just look like another paintball field (so with "walls", and not "buildings"...)

Just to elaborate (I know, it's useless, but I'm on break so while we're at it...)
Cost of a used shipping container: ~1300-1500$
Transport (estimate): 200$, depending on the location
Average entry fees for "vanilla" (unbuilt, mostly natural) private fields: 25$ (which is almost 100% profit in most cases where no props were bought)
Average entry fees for built-up paintball fees: 35$
Average attendance for "basic" games in the montreal area: 70 players

So... let's say 70 players x 30$ = 2100$ for one game (average)
2100$ x 10 games in the year = 21 000$
21 000$ / 1 500$ = 14 containers

Now I'm not an organiser so I may have forgot some fees... yes a small compensation for setting up the game is reasonable to the organisers and property owner, but not 2100$ par game IMHO. So if I didn't screw up my estimates.... that's realistic.

yeah totally, but that would mean someone KNOWN (for maximum attendance to his games) that would be willing to put a 21000$ on the table. + having a field with all the specifications said above... also you'd need some tools to cut through the containers and some work to make a nice field...

if someone is comfortable with that much money WHAT THE HECK is he waiting for to do it :D

Oh yeah I know it's as likely to happen as Normand l'Amour becoming prime minister... But what... what if? :D

(and don't quote whole posts especially if it's the one right before yours)

Less than a game a month? pfft. I would do one every two weeks but have a few major events. That way you'd likely get more income. This is an exclusive airsoft field right?

What if we created an "Airsoft Canada Club" kind of thing, get it designated as a Non-Profit Organization (so it doesn't get taxed) and then buy a plot of land. Make a yearly membership fee and a "visitor" fee to put some money in the club's bank account, and instead of running it like a "for profit" field, have members pitch in and volunteer to get things done like erecting buildings and other such tasks. This means that you could start with an empty field, and 40% the revenue gained to improve it (assuming you save 10% in the bank), other half goes to paying off the bank loan for the field and other expenses; as time goes on and more members join, you should have more and more capital to improve the field

This does seem to make more sense, if we're talking outside Quebec here. But Canada is a big ass country so we'd likely have to do a regional thing you know? Because I'm not gonna be likely to drive to Ottawa very often for games. I'd love to but I'm not rich. And I think there would need to be VERY dedicated and trusted members to run the show. And they'd have to be willing to take on the extra workload of an NPO.

That just won't happen. Would be cool- but won't happen. Too much administration, too much collective risk as a community.

That's why, from the begining, I'm saying the only way would be a private business.

leave it to an asian.... lol <3

If you can provide the average price of an acre of land in your area, the amount of players near it, a rate of interest for a loan, and the rate of interest for a bank account, I can probably do some magic on an Excel spreadsheet.

wow... you guys are just bringing in the ideas, i like this. Flooring sheets arent very expensive (2$ per 3 square feet back in the states), and a bundle of two by fours is all that be needed for sufficient cover, though this is just an idea, this has a lot of fruition to it

Well if there are trees on the property, you can always cut a couple down and use them to make some "nests".

Re-inventing the wheel
 

Places like the LZ in Eastern Ontario already have what you are looking for.

In Toronto.. Access to decommissioned Schools is nailed down. There are games weekly in such facilities here in Toronto.

Access to th decommissioned Prince Edward Heights Psychiatric Facility in Picton is also possible, with diligent effort.

You guys are sitting around talking wistfully about stuff that other people have already done and are doing.. Every week

Well not so much in Quebec, I did research into this, theres a plethora of places scattered all around Canada, just not so many available places in Quebec, theres paint ball places, but I dont enjoy playing there

There's a few abandoned military bases in the Laurentian mountains of Quebec like this old radar bunker in St Adolph. People explore the interior all the time. It's been converted into a theme park then it went bankrupt, thats why it looks like Dr Evils lair.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43211397@N00/252117498

Someone tried to rent RADAR-1, But the fees they charge are horendous. Much too high to play in at realistic price.

That's at a reasonable road distance for Montreal people, however as far as I know it's pretty much dead for 2011.

Way too far for the average game. I'd do it for a 24h or more, in a heartbeat (was about to get in for Muskoka when I learnt that the exams in my Cegep are from May 16th to May 27th) but for a more or less 7h game? Nope. I don't think anyone would, either. Not worth it (roughly 7h each way).

Apparemment y'a un bunker (ancien poste radio) désaffecté Ã* St-Raymond-de-Portneuf, mais j'ai aucune idée de ses dimensions ou de son accessibilité...

On a déjÃ* essayé d'organiser au Mont Radar, près de Québec. Tout les installation plus le bunker radar au somet de la montagne.

Le plan a foiré, en parti parce que les proprios n'ont pas respecté le contrat et un des organisateur Ã* fait une grosse bavure médiatique.

Le prix était bon considérant ce qui était en place pour le milsim.

C'était organisé comme un vrai évènement publique avec permis, contrats, partenaires et autres trucs... D'où le prix plus élevé et la nécessiter de gérer les admission via une billetterie. C'était également organisé par l'entremise d'une compagnie d'organisation assuré et enregistré. Nous étions du comité organisateur.

La je comprendre... ouais, me tous ca, se tres interessant

C'est pas du mont Radar dont je parle, je suis au courant de l'histoire. Je parle d'un bunker, totalement différent, plus ou moins petit Ã* Saint-Raymond, au nord-ouest de Québec.

Le mont Radar est sur la rive sud, en Beauce.

Ça fait tu parti du réseau Pine Tree Line?

Je croirais pas.

I'm not sure about old military buildings or other installations that were part of the Pine Tree Line, but I remember reading about a radar installation that was owned privately be someone, and he allows urban explorers to go in (not sure if he still does though). Here is an interesting thread from an urban exploration forum for old abandoned towns in Northern Canada.
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.a...threadid=87547

Well, this thread has panned out into the rest of Canada. And it is pretty tough for us westerners to make it out there often. So I personally was looking for places in the west which would be suitable too. I don't really know any but I could be wrong.