Snipers in airsoft
 

So I've gone through a lot of several threads about how new people shouldn't be snipers, minimum distances, lots of safety info (a lot of idiots aiming for the head with hot guns from what I've gathered), and a bunch of other scattered information in multiple threads.

Now I'm pretty new on the forums, but am not new to the role. I've handled firearms before, gone hunting, and have played paintball for a while and was curious about the sniper role in airsoft.

I understand that many people are more comfortable knowing that you are L2 BA or higher (I plan to attend when available in the area), but since I've had previous experiences as a sniper/recon/spotter/stalker in paintball, and hunting (just a lot slower) I was curious if these skills are transferable to the sport or if the role is completely different and also what are general thoughts about people new to BA sniper roles for airsoft if they've already handled an AEG for a while.

Since I have had previous experiences in the slow paced stalking of hunting, and the quick paced action, and tactics (attack, defend, rush/flank defense, when to fallback, etc.) in paintball how would you compare that in a sniper role for airsoft?

I know that this hasn't been in any other threads, but what BB's do you personal enjoy using (brand and weight) for airsoft games with a sniper rifle (let's just say your barrel is 6.1mm) and why?

FYI (please read this before you reply) - To avoid a lot of hated replies from members... Yes I will get myself age verified son, I also have no intention of playing sniper as my primary role for a while until I can hone my skills with my airsoft sniper rifle, and don't worry... I have no intentions of starting out with a sniper rifle even though I could potentially be suited for the role. This is merely for information that I wasn't able to gather from several threads and forums that I am pretty interested in.

I was a sniper in the states for several years, and now Im switching to a more DM role. But when I was there, it depended on hop up/the gun. For my L96, I used .30s, for my VSR10, I used .28s, and for a Dragunov I used .36g BBs. Different weight BBs means different kinetic energy, which means different overall distance and "punching power;" heavier BBs will not travel as far as lighter BBs, but will pack more punch and tend to be more accurate, while lighter BBs travel farther/faster, and arent as accurate. I've always used different rifles for different situations, such as in a small playing area I'd use the VSR10 with the .28s, while in dense vegetation, Id use heavier BBs to punch through leaves and such. All in all, it comes down to judgement, judgement of how veterans can trust you, and whether you know what to do when s*** goes down

I started playing the sniper role in our local games and found .30's work the best for my situation and guns. I would like to try out heavier Bb's and will some time in the near future but anything less then .28's are useless IMO

one thing you will need to get use to is watching a BB hit your target just to have that target look around and not see where it came from... In turn not calling their hits.

Personally I have fun playing this role and a buddy and I work well doing it together.

Also I find 1 kill with the sniper rifle feels just as good as 10 with an AEG :)

6.1mm is worse than stock TM barrels so....

Take my post with a grain of salt. While being a sniper may look awesome and pretty fun, it is not. +1 to Voodoo about people shrugging off their hits. At least when you're charging in guns blazing they can't just shrug it off. When it's just you and him they will shrug it off like no tomorrow. This is not all players but there will be enough to make you throw up your hands.
Now on the topic of BBs, depending on how powerful your gun is you will want to use anything from .30s to .36s or if your gun is so powerful that those don't work, .43s

Grain of salt because I'm not a sniper

I think he meant 6.01mm

Well the whole reason we suggest you be a rifleman before a sniper is primarily to get used to the physics of airsoft.
Your a hunter, that's great, you've got the stalking down to a tee.
Now you have to get used to a whole new rifle, new distances, new compensations.
Since you have lots of experience shooting, there's no reason for you NOT to buy a sniper rifle. It's just a good idea to get an AEG to try it out, worst case; if you don't like airsoft, AEG's are easier to sell!

First off, your going to want a name brand sniper rifle. The tokyo marui VSR-10 is widely regarded as a really amazing platform. And the peak performance of your rifle is only as good as the base you build it from.
So just for starters, 380fps spring, hopup rubber, 6.03mm barrel. That will give you REALLY great range and accuracy right off the bat. At 380fps (on .20s) you should be using .28g BB's, as they will give you the best range and accuracy at that velocity.
Later, you can buy a PDI cylinder set (~$250) and upgrade to 440fps on .20s. Then you can use .30g BBs for optimum range and accuracy.
There's not much of a point going past 440, I've found above 440 your accuracy actually decreases unless you use the significantly more expensive .36g BBs

As for barrels, the bore means dick. a 6.01 will shoot just as accurately as a good 6.08, but you have to clean it way more often.
The big thing with barrels is the consistency of the bore, and that pretty well goes entirely by name brand. So laylax or PDI would be your best bet!
tighter bore = slightly higher velocity
I myself use a laylax 6.03, 430mm length. I get the same range and accuracy of a 6.01x650mm PDI barrel.

And as for differences in paintball, it really depends who you play with and where.... Everyone has a different style of game and different field
It's a different role on every field. In the summer at our main field I'll have a typical engagement distance of about 40 feet, the winter closer to 100
On our old field that we lost, I'd be engaging anywhere from 15 to 220 feet (people WILL get that close if they can't see hear or smell you!)

Overall I would say it's a more boring and challenging role than being a rifleman, but every kill you get is MUCH more satisfying!

+1. Sums up my experience

It can be depending on game type

this is something in the original OP that was not mentioned

at our local field we do a lot of small skirms to the snipers can tend to get more shots off, in a milsim or larger op you will do a lot of waiting around and will get bored easy.

All in all I think the role is what you make of it

At our last game I was in the dead box with some players and every time someone stood up from in the tower I would call it that they where about to be picked off...sure enough they where and that made me happy along with the one picking them off.

Same game day our team would loose cause a bunch of guys would not call the sniper hits


so take the role with a grain of salt and be prepared for a good feeling with each kill and a bad feeling with eat kill that doesn't get called

Thanks a lot for all the replies to the questions and all the other valuable information that you've provided me with. It has been really helpful for understanding what to watch out for and gave me a better understanding of what to look for in a rifle.

I've also played in several different areas where sniper roles differentiate depending on the location. Whether it's moving a few inches at a time to avoid detection as recon, to moving with squads and playing as counter sniper and disorientating the enemy. I usually sit back a game or two to break in to understand the attacker tactics and learn how my team works together to provide them with the adequate role as a sniper.

I've already spec'd out rifles from other threads and am going to be working with two different rifles. I currently own an L96, and am hoping to find someone selling a TM VSR-10 at a later date when I get age verified because upgrades are easily accessable.

Here is what I currently have for my sniper rifle:
Base: TSD/Well L96
Barrel: PDI 6.01 - 495mm tight bore barrel
Hop up: PDI hop up system
Cylinder/Cylinder Head/Piston/Spring Guide: PDI Cylinder Set VC
Springs: PDI 220 + 240 Springs
Trigger box: Laylax Zero Trigger
Bucking: Prometheus Hard Hopup Bucking Kit
Muzzle: TM power down muzzle (for certain fields with lower FPS caps)
and a bunch of other misc stuff.


The one thing that wasn't really mentioned in previous replies is what Brand specific BB's would you recommend. I know that some people may disagree with your choices, but that is your own personal preference and I was mainly asking this because I'd rather not have cheap BB's that may potentially jam or worse, damage an internal component.

I'm pretty aware of people not calling shots in paintball and as annoying as it is just means all the more shots I will get him with until he does call the shot. I've had people get pretty pissed off trying to start an altercation with me because I was able to flank his squad and take them out with ease and the only reason why they didn't call the shoot was because they thought it was friendly fire. Pretty annoying at times especially with the younger kids which is why I'd like to step it up a notch and stay in 18+ airsoft games (or at least parental supervision).


here is a little goodie for all of you since I got some really good information from you guys. My side arm project (nearly completed). I'll post more details and how I did it on an upgrade/mod thread when It is 100%.

And........ when you can get credit for hits at an airsoft game while you are elsewhere on the field, or even in your basement that day, then you KNOW you have the right stuff to become a semi-decent airsoft sniper. ;)

No Stalker that's just you. With your nonchalant throwing of BBs that magically hit every airsofter everywhere at the same time.

Well, to be honest, most of those hits occur when players step on them later................... hmmm, ineffective landmines, must rethink this throwing of BBs thing.

I hope you realize how much that sniper project is going to cost you. As for BB's you can't go wrong with BBBastard BB's and you're in Toronto so yeah....

Your pistol looks pretty sexy too, (although I don't really like the grips, but to each his own) although I think that hand painted "logo" on the slide kind of makes it seem kind of cheap. If you seriously want a good logo on your slide look into getting printable "water transfer paper" (print off an inkjet, get the transfer wet and stick onto pistol like you would a sticker, I don't know about durability though since the only applications I've seen that used in, was in Warhammer models).

Do you sell those landmines? And how do they work? Is it one BB that blows up into 5000?

I'm well aware of how much sniper rifle projects can run up which I have no problem with. A lot of my hunting supplies such as scope, camo, etc. are easily transferable and the cost of the upgrades for sniper rifles is a lot cheaper than a real handgun so it shouldn't be a problem with me.

The pistol is a replica model I have been working on from the Devil May Cry series of Ebony and Ivory Picture Here
The water transferable would peal off after a while from pulling it out of your holster. I printed out the text on a paper with painters tape (the blue ones) and cut it out by hand then applied a two coats of gold enamel spray paint to ensure it's durability. The only things I'm waiting for are the iron sights, hammer, hand grip safety, and the image on the handle.

I'm not a sniper, don't own a sniper rifle, and probably never will. However, here's my take on it. Take my advice as you will.

Your previous experience will be of some value, but somewhat like having a private pilot license with small single engine civvie planes would be of value to flying a fighter jet. While that base experience is still there, there's a lot missing that you won't be able to get without working your way up from a basic rifleman -> designated marksman -> sniper roles. Until you have some solid, hands-on experience with those 'lower' roles in airsoft, I really wouldn't recommend jumping into the sniper role off the bat.

And remember - at most fields, if 1 person on the field objects to having a unknown / noob sniper in the game, that's all it takes and you won't be allowed to field your sniper rifle, even if you have BA certification. Being an airsoft sniper required more than just the base skills you already have, and for the most part, you'll need some serious airsoft experience before other players will have confidence in you to allow you to play the sniper role.

Personally, (nothing personal here), if you showed up at a game with a hot sniper rifle and your current 'qualifications' are all you had, I'd be the first to object to you field your sniper rifle.

Good to know, and I've already stated that I won't start off as a sniper, but still good information for those people who would like to start off as a sniper. I'd rather test the waters with an AEG get to know fields, people, playing styles, weapons distances and accuracy, etc. as a basic recon of how things will be if I were going into the sniper role.

Also when you mentioned that I had to work myself up to the sniper level, if I had the previous experiences in paint ball where I basically worked my way up to sniper, ex. soldier, support gunner, tactician, designated marksman, spotter, etc. Would that count as experiencing for understanding roles/working your way up or is it completely different in airsoft? (aside from the obvious distance increase since you are dealing with lighter and smaller projectiles) In all honesty I was planning to become a soldier for a while until I got to know a bunch of info then just jump into the sniper role afterwards (I'd still bring the AEG in the event that I'm voted out for sniper roles as a backup).

Simply don't show up to the field with a hot sniper rifle. Most of the time snipers will have increased FPS limits however that is at the cost of increased Minimum Engagement Distances.

In fact I believe that Stalker or someone actually plays with a sniper rifle that shoots 360-380 FPS (on .20's) and brings it down even lower with heavier BB's. So really all you need to do is bring a gun that isn't hot on the field and you can play with anything you want. Hell you could even use a straw and some BB's as long as you don't blow the BB harder than 1.48 Joules.

I have no problem with a "new guy" showing up with a sniper rifle that shoots under 400fps, and that's the general consensus around here
It's really just a safety issue, but any noob can show up to a game with a full auto 400fps AEG, so I'm sure nobody minds if you have a 400fps bolt action lol

Like I said, it would be helpful in the same way having the private pilot license would be to flying a fighter jet. It means you understand some of the basics and principals that someone without the experience may not. But what's important is the airsoft-specific stuff you need to learn. It'll come in time.

Ya, t'would be me, past few times my rifle got chronied was around 397fps with 0.20g BBs (an I use 0.36g Bastards, nets me around 300fps with them). I've always focused more on close accurate shots (within 150ft), like through cracks in bunker walls and such rather than absolute maximum range shots (waste of time in my books, no airsoft rifle can hit a man sized target within field limits, past 250ft anyways, more than once out of a few shots unless luck comes into play). And at that veolocity with that ammo weight, gave me superior accuracy and range compared to the years before when I ran at around 500fps w/0.20g BBs, too unpredictable then. Shit, said it before, set my rifle up at one point and got 340fps, tweaking hop up I discovered I could float heavy BBs out past 300ft easily. Kinda set me on the path of lower velocities with rifles rock, plus you can shoot a guy from 60ft away without bullshit, just aim for mag pouches, webbing, etc.

Oh pshah I could hop in a CF-18 and be good to go lol :D

Alright that sounds cool. I'll pick up the information as planned using my AEG for a while before jumping into the role of sniper. I was really interested in picking up CQC training from TTAC with hand guns and submachine guns anyhow (something I'd like to refine since I've always lost that battle in paintball).

So when you guys say "hot guns" I'm assuming full internal upgrade with an FPS of 400-450+? The goal of my sniper rifles is to get consistency at a decent distance while maintianing 300-400 FPS using .25 to .3 BBs but with upgraded internals to ensure I have consistency. Would that define a sniper rifle as "hot"? or is this term loosly used based on the field you are playing on?

If it is an FPS limit where people were not comfortable would a FPS power down muzzle work to help make others comfortable for you to use a sniper rifle? (I'm asking this because my girl friend is interested in airsoft also and was going to pass her my AEG when I'm confident enough to be a sniper in airsoft and also have expereince under my belt)

We use FPS limits because that's what people can understand. Really it's power limits that you should be using.

Outdoor fields will *usually* have power limits of 1.48 Joules corresponding to 400 FPS using .20g BB's or around 360 using .25g BB's although power limits can vary depending on if it's an outdoor "FIBUA" field for example.

Also..... there are "velocity reducers" that screw onto the muzzle of your gun but they can fail and as such you could be shooting someone with a hot gun without knowing it. The best way would be a spring downgrade (what's $10 more if you're already spending so much for upgrade parts for your rifle?).

So I assume the term "hot" is basically anything higher than the feild limit? So long as I am under that limit would that still potentially exclude new snipers from games? (just trying to prevent the chance that I may have to step out of a game when I start up as a sniper after the AEG)

Probably the last question I've got is when people chrono your weapons on fields is is based on BB's of .20g or the BB's you will use exclusively for the rifle such as .30g BB's?

Thanks for the info on the velocity reducer.. I guess I'll have to sell it off since it isn't as reliable as the reviews have said about it. Also.. I will be having a few different springs available and am willing to swap them out if people are still not comfortable with the performance, but I plan to stay in the range of 300-400 FPS area to provide the range coverage.

Oh it'll work if you're shooting single shot (in full auto it becomes ineffective after the first shot, or if you can pull the trigger really fast it'll also be ineffective). But the CHANCE that it could potentially break is basically the reason why I (and likely other people) are not comfortable with them. If you were rock climbing, would you really want your life to depend on hoping the other persons carabiner isn't some cheap one and snaps? (Not a good analogy but I hope you can at least try to understand what I'm saying).

Also yes, as long as you're within the field limits you can use whatever you want. ie. as long as you can blow less than 1.48 Joules from a straw, there's no reason why you couldn't potentially use a straw and BB's. You could show up to a game with 400 FPS limit with a sniper rifle, shotugn, pistol, or revolver shooting less than 400 FPS and you're good to go. It's only when you start to go above those limits that sniper Minimum Engagement Distances come into effect (normally it'll be like 15-20 feet MED for guns shooting 400 FPS).

Also I'm not sure how it's usually done but usually I would say that you should chrono with .20's just to put everyone on the same standard but you could potentially chrono with the BB's you're going to use and set the chrono to measure energy based on the weight you input into the unit (or if someone's already done the math to figure out what weight will give what energy rating do it that way).

Completely understand. Why take the chance basically. Going to try to sell it off since I have no real use for it. I'm just going to bring multiple springs to a game where FPS isn't specified to be safe. At least I can change it on the spot before games start.

I have no intentions of bringing up my FPS even with BA certs so I guess I'm in the clear for all games then. I was begining to think that snipers are not welcome to fields even with their guns below the FPS limit. That clears up a lot of things that were not mentioned in any other threads.

I've also got a chrono so you dont need to search on threads for the calculations. I'll bring it with me to games to ensure people that it isn't a hot gun from now on.

Most games have the FPS specified in their signups or club/field rules.

I've been thinking, on a completely unrelated but related topic..

...perhaps we should add some subcategories to the Newbie Tank for each kind of class of player (for lack of a better term) so that people can get proper focus on what sort of role they want to strive for? Or something.

I know, for example, that if someone wanted to adopt a Demolition/Field Engineer type of role, I could give some great specific advice for it. Other people would be great for trading tips on how to custom an AEG for a Sharpshooter/Marksman role. Straight-up Assaulters/Riflemen for another kind of player. Heavy Gunners/Support Gunners could represent all your LMGs and up. And of course, the ever-prevailing Sniper role for the bolt action weirdos...

Just a thought.

I'd second that for sure. It was a bit of a pain to gather the scattered information in regards to snipers in airsoft. It gave me a slight understanding, but not fully which is why I had to ask all these questions.

Who knows if you like AEGs enough you can be a DM

This is actually the role I mostly play, a DM with a bolt action, since I'm often in play with a squad, but often move around alone with my rifle slung on my back in comms with the rest of the team, and use it when situations allow. Literally, I've carved out a very cool (and well loaded) niche for myself in airsoft, and extremely flexible (yet deadly).

Your point is? Your ASC Jesus (said hey soose) lmao. But no I agree, personally when I start playing again I'll have a DMR, two pistols, and a backpack full of ingenuity. Ill be UNSTOPPABLE

Well, my point being, be flexible if you aren't doing the dedicated sniper role, and if one wants a bolt action rifle to learn the sniper role on without doing the entire ghillie/taking a nap in the bushes/leaving beer cans and cig butts everywhere you camp, that is the best role. Mind you, weight becomes an issue due to AEG and ammo in tow, but isn't a big deal compared to the ennormous capacity you have with that flexibility.

But ya, good load out, is a minimum for me most days. Lol

beer cans? more like whiskey bottles with squirrels in them. and true, adaptation does come into play. While with an AEG as a DMR, it would be easier to switch from semi-auto to full automatic while with a bolt action you cant

True, but learn to shoot well, who needs semi or full? Both are just compensating for lack of shooting skills. Think about it, I can smoke a guy running sideways with my bolt action out to 100ft, shoot between branches because I can choose my ballistic path, etc. Hell, I've proven I can hit a swinging bottle cap on a string at 30ft with my M24............ yet have a hard time hitting a guy running sideways with my MP5 on full auto. When you are limited, your mind takes over. When you are in abundence, your mind goes blank.

but when shit hits teh fan and youre not airsoft jesus, can anyone really do all of that?

Of course, there's something to be said for an abundance of area neutralization weapons...

/me clings to his M203, Claymores and Horde of Tornados.

Lol, is why I carry a pistol or two with MANY mags.... mind you, one of my MP5s is usually with me, but I grew bored of AEGs last year, got more of a hard-on from pistols and BA rifle, especially in built up ubran settings.

Same here. Funny to see when sees two M9s pointed at them point blank :) "safety kill"

.... how about a DMR pistol? ....

1911... 430mm inner... carbine body..

I must be a weirdo.. I like my pistols with auto function .. and my "rifles" with semi...

Sniper Schools
 

You guys mention class2 or level 2. I'm assuming then that there are schools for airsoft sniping? When I where do these take place and how do I sign up? Please and thanks

Check out your local game schedule. A sniper clinic will pop out eventually.

Full auto is all fine and good. But did you know that I get the same amount of kills doing semi auto only with my M4 than I do using full auto with my M249?
The 249 will scare people, but accuracy is just as frightening.

And AEG's are nowhere near as accurate on full auto as they are on semi.

Ive taken on a heavily fortified position with nothing but rubber knives and a smile. Its all about patience and opportunity.
Full auto is all dine and dandy when you wanna puff out your chest and be scary. However I would prefer to have higher bb hit per fire ratio than a fire and miss ratio, you really only need to tag your target with a BB once.

Sig'd.

Thanks Stalker. :)

Hey, thank you. I actually forgot I wrote that. Lol

Puffing out your chest and being scary can have its uses, depending on the situation. I stick to a support gunner role, i used to primarily use an M249, and i currently have an RPK. Suppression and volume of fire are great methods for keeping peoples heads down. I'll keep the targets down while the riflemen or marksmen flank to get the kill. But then again, its all about which role you fit and how effectively you execute that in a game. My older brother leans more to a DM class than anything, and we work extremely well together. I like to think i get the same satisfaction as a marksman does when they get a kill, from making people cower in fear under an endless volley of plastic:P Mindset has a lot to do with it too. You cant buy an LMG thinking you will be running around getting kills like rambo. If used as intended, support weapons can really help fill out your squad, especially if the people your playing with use proper tactics and such. As for the DM role, ive just got a scratch built M16 shooting around 300 with .02's, yet the range and accuracy it has is shockingly high. Just goes to show that FPS isnt everything. ;)

I've held people's heads down with accurate semi auto fire from my M4.
Hell I've even suppressed 3 people with AEG's with my bolt action sniper rifle.
I've even ambushed 2 guys with AEG's, and actually had them RUN from me even though I had a bolt action rifle (even got that one on youtube!)
I'm not saying the LMG doesn't do it's job well. I love mine to death. But it's not always totally necessary ;)

I completely agree. I find an lmg becomes more usefull in milsims where ammo restrictions come into play. All the bigger games I've played allow support gunners to carry more ammo, plus if you've got a drum or box you never need to reload. I could see being pinned by a sniper being pretty frustrating, seeing as 9 times out of 10 you won't have a clue where your getting shot at from :p I think both roles have there ues, I play with a lot of guys who run nothing but bolts and pistols, and there the ones that scare me. I think its more about who's weilding the gun than the gun itself though.

Once I had a squad of guys pinned in a base for an hour, simply by firing one shot that made a loud smack on a wall, moved to another position, fired another 10mins later, moved, fired 10mins later, same effect, then buggered off to another part of the field to help out teammates. The reason I found out I had them pinned down is because the field owner approached me after the game and asked if I had been firing on that base, I said yes, he laughed and said I had them stuck there for an hour at least, I laughed and said I was barely in the area for 20mins tops before moving. So ya, psychological warfare I am an expert on as far as a sniper rifle goes.

More so when attacking a larger base with walls, if you lob a round in order to hit a wall way outside your range and on the opposite side of your position, you can make it seem like there are a couple snipers out there. Really causes entertaining reactions, has always been part of my extreme addiction to sniping. :) Especially when being blamed for kills when I wasn't even at the game. Lol

bwahahaha sounds like the second to last game i went to in the states. They were in a bunker, about 4 of them, and it was a lot like a pill box, four sides, about 5 feet long, with windows 10 inches wide, and i just kept hammering rounds down there, hitting the corners of it through the windows. one person called a hit, and the other 3 just sat there peeking their heads up every 10 mins or so. after the 3rd time, i moved position, about 20 feet to my right on an elevation, fired a clip (30 rounds) and left. after the game, me being one of two snipers, they asked me if i was locking them down in bunker, i could not stop laughing, telling them what happened

sorry to hijack, but this is an appropriate place for my question.

cdn_stalker and snipersam, do you guys use gillies in skirmishes?

if yes, do you make them yourself to fit the field?
and are they very effective? ( I assume a well made one is)

*Ghillies
And yes, I do; I hand made 3, one for winter, one for spring, and one for sumer/fall. and i didnt make it specifically for one field, I played in the northeastern part of the USA where the climate/vegetation is essentially the same as the Eastern part of Canada, except much warmer. I wore a ghillie suit with a camel back hydration carrier, because holy crap it gets SO hot in there.

If you hand make it, you can "customize" it to your heart's content, but essentially it does this: distort the human figure, which if done correctly using jute and natural elements (I used stringing from a rice sack) will make you seem like a part of your natural surroundings. Ive laid prone before in my ghillie suit and watched as people walked within 4 inches of my face, and well it was because I looked like a part of the forest floor

I've got one we bought off eBay that I use for hunting. It's made of a yarn type material, which is really nice because it looks just like moss and is more natural than others I've seen. The only bad thing is it picks up every damn stick laying on the ground. I can barely walk without dragging something behind me, but it does add a bit more natural camouflage. I could see materials being a big factor in airsoft.

cool, the woman that runs the surplus store north of me makes some that she sells, and she has the diy kits too. I asked because I was considering using one if I ever played a sniper role. now I know they work, I probably will use one (if I become a sniper).

by what I've read so for (mostly posts by you two) I would definitely want to get really good with an aeg gun and long range accurate shots, before moving up to a BA sniper rifle.

omg a smart new person, my year has been made thank you.


But yeah, I just prefer making it yourself because you can do whatever to it after you're done; if you buy one of those polyester garbage ghillie suits, it falls apart easier, people see you more, colouring is just plain wacky, and the chemical smell of it on the wind is what will give you away.

The best way to make a good ghillie suit is run it though mud, water, dirt, manure if you have it on hand, give it a natural look. You dont want to look like a cactus in a rain forest, think about it like that

Just keep this in mind. It's all a tradeoff. If you decide to play in a ghillie it's quite hot and uncomfortable. For me, I could play without one. It's just a game after all, I mean it's not like you're in Vietnam or whatever and the bullets are real.

Also, sounds like a DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) position is the right one for you. Basically take your rifle and fire in semi (optional to lock it using a MOSFET so you don't inadvertently switch it to auto) basically slow down your rate of fire and focus on getting consistent shots. Depending on what brand your gun is you may have to put in consistency upgrades (usually the compression parts are targeted first to make sure that you're getting consistent compression and little to no air leaks). FPS is overrated but I feel I don't need to tell you that, however shooting at around 370-390 (on .20's) is probably the best and you should also use at minimum .28g BB's if you're looking for consistency/accuracy/precision. Once you're comfortable in the DMR role then you can think about either locking your gun to semi with 1s. delay (ie. using MOSFET) or getting a BA rifle, reason being is that this way you're not just jumping into the water in a sink or swim situation since you're easing yourself from dumping "strings of plastic" at a target, to taking aimed precision shots in semi to taking precision shots with a BA or a semi locked AEG with delay.

It's late now and I have school tomorrow so yeah those are some basic tips on getting into the sniper role.

Trust me, ghillie+accurate aeg+good practice at shooting/stealth= ownage. one of the few times I've gamed in a ghillie i used my insanely accurate M16 and I single handedly held one half of the field, the other team gave up coming my way and just tried their hardest to push through everybody else on my team on the other side of the field instead just to stay out of my range.


EDIT: should state this was a TDM type skirmish with re-spawns not a full size milsim.

I was faced with 5 oponents on my own this winter in a big game. I was respawning on my own and they walked about 100 ft from After taking him out their teammates on top of the hill ahead of me eventually got me after a five min firefight so getting the drop on ur enemy is key as well. I wasnt wearing a guille suit tthat time around as the game meant I needed to be mobile. Next game it will be a behind enemy lines theme and i will be defending so i will be taking a real sniper role in this game, ghuille suit and I just picked up a bi=pod for my m14

I've only made one ghillie, and use it maybe a couple times per year, and that's really only when I'm on my own in a sniper type role for infiltration. Now, the number of times I actually play the sniper role literally happens every single game I play, it just happens when it's strategically possible or necessary to do that role. And I just do it in whatever I'm wearing at the time. The flexibility is amazing to run the role as I do it, have my MP5 with me always, M24 slung, and i just go with the flow going between assaulter, designated marksman, sniper, etc. I've really found my niche with airsoft, and excel with it. Is just a matter of going with the flow of the game and finding your place within it.

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And those images basically depict me (first one especially), I was ALWAYS the covert operative; I received the orders from the team/squad leader and I completed it, i got hit twice, once by my own team mate the other by CDN_Stalker (BWAHAHAHAHA). No but in all seriousness, you have to realize if youre gonna go ghillie, be prepared to hump a lot of ground very slowly

thanks for the info guys, snipers always appealed to me, mostly just the look of confusion when people start dropping with no enemy in sight.

Im still unsure if I would enjoy a dmr or sniper role, or if I would prefer a more infantry type role. (I definitely don't have an issue with a hot sweaty ghillie, and "humping" the ground)

cdn_stalker, where are you in the second pic? the only person I see is to the right of the logs.

Edit: I watched some stuff on the military channel about snipers, and their training, seems interesting. just gotta get out to a game and play, this way I can really see what I like.

Funny you mentioned that, there is no one but me in the second/third pics. These are screen shots of a short movie I was asked to take part in (Fluke Films "Security Risk") years ago, so if anyone was in the picture they would have been given shit to clear out fast. The second one I had my crosshairs on the cameraman while he filmed me. Is funny, I was so well hidden in plain view that the camera guy had to ask me to sit up because he wasn't able to see me enough to adjust his camera focus on my spot. All I did for this movie was lie there, stand up and walk away.

so you are lying pretty much where you stood in the third pic?

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Edit: Fixed

Move the circle to the right a bit and you got me. The thing you think is a person is a fence post or something. Lol

oh, you blend in really well there.

the marking of a good ghillie suit, no unusual colouring, no human form, just an earthy lump :D

and a bad smell :P

best part about it :D

Yup, and the best part, you would have been in my crosshairs even before you looked at that pile of logs. I actually didn't add any natural vegetation to my ghillie (rarely do, little time most days).

Quoted for truth. Lol, last time I wore it, it still hadn't dried out fully since the time before when I wore it in the rain a year before. I just rolled it up and stuffed in my waterproof CF sleeping bag carrier and left it. Pulled it out and was still damp. AFTER A FUCKING YEAR! But didn't smell that bad, but wasn't a scent I'd want in the car with a little Stalker doll hanging from the rearview mirror.....

wow!! that picture fooled me... I hope your enemy doesn't find you only after a headshot... more like a vest shot hopefully

when you get buck fever... who can tell the difference ;)
I tended to aim just to the right of where your heart is (my left through the cross hairs), that way they would either hear themselves getting hit, or feel it; if they didnt call, i kept shooting them in the neck til they did :D

I always go for gear or body shots, is rare I'll actually hit the head, in cases where a BB over hops, ya, not intentional. Where only the head is presented due to their use of cover......... field legal shot (unless close range).

Eww..... I think it would smell pretty bad. I mean have you ever used one of those CF ponchos? Those things stink they just get rolled up and put back and you get mildew and stuff growing on it.

Doesn't smell that bad at all, just like damp burlap, kinda stale.

To me it smells like wood chips, or that smell you get when you open up a container full of dirt and worms

Ya, mine too, definite dirt smell. But that's what happens with you weather it in mud, and spend a lot of time on the ground or in the swamp. :)

especially crawling/slinking/sliding/climbing/shifting for a few hundred feet

Yup, can always tell who the wanna-be snipers are, their ghillies smell like Tide. :D


Ok, let's see who sigs that quote. Lol

permission to sig cap'n? :D

done :)

beat me to it

Lol, you boys can share it.....

Is along the same lines of when I first started playing in '04, heard one of the vets say that you can always tell a poser airsofter by checking his kneepads, if they are without scratches and he's had them for a while.............

So I showed up at a game not long after with my new Hatch knee pads, they bent down to take a look, I told them to fuck off because it was my first day wearing them, they grinned, and sure enough, end of the day there was mud and a few scratches on them. So there. :)

aww, now I can't have my pic, I even made it half sized to keep within the size limits, system thinks I have two pics when I try to add it.

Oh well, guess Ill just have to go without for a while.

Edit: nevermind, It was the smiley, fixed now.

I now feel accomplished, if only i could say something sig-worthy... back to the drawing board

Lol, you guys.................

Well CDN_Stalker i do appreciate the quote that i took from one of your posts. :D

you know we might as well start a CDN_Stalker religion.


Yay did the almighty CDN_Stalker descend upon the field upon which all the spoiled brats called hit and turned into BBs... A passage from a game, can i get a holy shit... holy shit, and also with you

At least that one is true, it happened.

Here we go again......

Lol

:D