I'm quite suprised, I've heard nothing but bad things about the
TM 18c. A whole decade since the ksc, yet still plagued with problems...

sad - alex






edit : mrbond -> frame no workey

I was really wondering because this guy --> http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=114887 sells a TM Glock 18c w/Guarder frame and I was wondering wich frame he used or where he got it from... I would really go for that. I PMed him but haven't got a response yet.

for the front sight breaking, perhaps a buffer might prevent this from happening

All these stories are scaring me man, I haven't had a problem with mines yet, so it's probably a ticking time bomb now.

Ha ha I'm new to the whole Tokyo Marui/complicated/breakage-prone/auto-pistol game myself but one thing you learn quickly that's encouraging for sure... anything breaks and there's a million upgrade or replacement parts for it, just gotta go fishing for 'hem! ;)

And you know if the slide does break, an original TM replacement is like 15$, no biggie (albeit annoying...)

this website gives what u have been wondering.

http://www.justpistols.co.uk/tmg18c.htm

Guarder frame works fine for me on the G18C...

http://www.pbase.com/racingmaniac/image/130327941

You mean the G17 frame from guarder? Is the quality much better then the TM frame?

I also hate the TM trades on my stock frame :(

Not really, all the parts that the TM breaks will break on guarder. But yeah, you get it for the marking.

And yes, the G17 frame.

Looks like the 18C isn't Tm's most reliable model.

Its no worse than G17, just the full auto imparts more load on the parts that are already suspect on the G17. Again, keep in mind they are still made for hfc 134......

so what parts have been breaking? and is there aftermarket in place for it? I had seen someone mention "a 'rod' shaped like an hourglass " on another board... any ideas what this is?

I'm actually just finishing up a new "primary" of a TM G18c in a carbine .. working on internal mods for consistancy, accuracy and reliablity.. not worried too much about power.

on my list is :

= TK twist barrel, firefly hop rubber
- firefly buffered and bearing'd recoil rod/spring set
- firefly rocket/piston head set.
- PGC cnc billet slide and outter

anything else I should add/delete interal wise?

so all the people that have broken parts, can we take a small poll as to how they were being fired?

like rarely on auto, quick bursts (I've noticed quick taps are 3rnd bursts), or full mag full auto strings of death and distruction?

this isn't intended to point a finger of "oh you abused yours, it's your fault!" ... just might help others... if they want their pistol slide atleast last longer to limit their full auto to very little...

the kick and ROF .. I can understand easily how and why the slides are blowing the nose off LOL .. this is an insane lil beasty of a pistol.... I've got mine in a Roni Carbine kit :D

Wow, I have been looking into getting a TM G18, but after reading all this I'm having 2nd thoughts. I was also thinking TM because of supposed reliability, quality, availability of parts and cheap mags. Not sure now... Does anyone know if the KSC G18 has the same reliability problems?

From what I've heard, its worse....the bigger problem on that front is that the parts are harder to come by...

Like I said, the gun still has all the virtue of all the TM guns, but again, you have to keep in mind that they were not designed for propane, even if most TM guns are OK with it, it does not mean they won't run into durability issue at one point or another firing the more powerful gas.

All of the problem that I've seen on G18 has had happened on other TM Glock, just that it might happen faster if you use FA a lot, on propane.