I think the 2nd Gen WE M4s dont have the mag problem. WE also improved the bolt catch engaging problem with the 2nd Gen M4s.

I'd agree with the WE GBBR.
I've got a WE KAC PTW Open Bolt and have upgraded the living shit out of it. There are so many things available for the unit and it all depends on what you really want. Another team mate of mine runs a WE M4 and his runs pretty damn awesome.

I did have leaks in a few of my mags, but on the bonus side there is a guide to having them all sealed up done by Zong (I played it safe and resealed all my mags).
For the maintenance guide that would be from Shelled Pants.
Both guys are really cool and knowledgeable about guns when I met them.. after talking with them briefly I bought a gas gun later that week.

Also.. if you ever break something by accident.. great part is that everything is available.. some at a really cheap price... like $3-$5 for a valve.

If something goes wrong in my gun.. can usually be taken care of in under 1 min on the field. =)

The WE M4s are awesome, here's my thread if your interested Dirtdiver. Best deal in the city, gen 3. Good for gas or CO2.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=116267

WE. I got one and only one of my mags has any issues (and its only a small leak that losses about 1-2 shots worth of gas before it stops)


They are simply the cheapest, Mags are cheap as hell and mine almost all hardened steal internals now and that only cost me $120 thus far with about another $60 to go to finish it off.

Screw reading, I've seen all these guns on the field. Let me tell you, WA is crap, G&P is crap, WE is crap.
Buy a KJ, spent 90$ on internals, and you'll have the equivalent of a $1200 G&P GBBR.

The only other system that even comes CLOSE to the reliability of the KJ is WE's new open bolt system. It's the simplest and most rugged system I've ever seen in a GBBR.
They've got the PDW out already, but they're upgrading all their current line to open bolt. And I'd get an open bolt WE over a KJ.
Just upgraded my PDW as well, cost me $70 for a barrel, hop rubber and NPAS valve, it shoots 380fps stock, and there is literally nothing to upgrade as far as the bolt is concerned.
It uses WE M4 and PDW mags so your also getting inexpensive mags!
Open bolt mags are the same as closed bolt with a different (and interchangeable) lip on top

Sweet you guys have been very helpful. Already read shelledpants cleaning guide and bookmarked it as well as zongs mag sealing guide. The info and collective knowledge you guys bring to the table is awesome.

Time to start the search for a good WE M4 and some parts.

@hightimes saw your ad sweet deal but I already contacted a guy and am working out a deal...

My suggestion would be to wait for the open bolt WE m4 but honestly, the 'closed bolt' brass tube is actually quite good too if you cant wait.

There will probably be a conversion kit to change the closed to open though wouldn't there?

Guaranteed. But why rush it? The open bolt will be out this month, why not wait for a review first? That way you can get either gun while they are both available.

if you have money, get an INO

True enough... Are you anticipating an arrival date for when you will be carrying them??

Also not interested in an inokatsu...

Edit: fixed due to stupid iPhone autocorrect

Sorry no fixed date yet, just "this month".

I disagree, Inokatsu is just an overhyped WA M4 Nothing more,
The forging seam line is not removed, the gun will still run into problem and the hop up is internally adjusted, making it near impossible to do it. If you want WA system go with VIPER, they're more innovate on it, plus they're OEM of Inokatsu.

This is not a very constructive comment unless you have any experience or reason for it.

EDIT: YOU TOO GATO! :D

Get a WE